Tuned in to Retro Anime / Manga!

>>906
Not to mention astro boy was made in 1952 which besides GORT was before most famous 50s movie robots. I think anon is overthinking on What kind of influences were impacted on the industry, entertainment is entertainment.

>>906
>>907
But I think you're both being a little inattentive here. Anon doesn't actually mention the '50s or anything around the Astro Boy era, so debunking his point in light of that is kind of useless.
He seems to be zeroing in on the '80s as the 'start' of modern anime since some still present tendencies first appeared in that era, and from there poses the hypothesis that it was inspired by b-movies from the '50s through to the '70s, which would probably mean all that stuff that came after Astro Boy.
It seems like he's saying something like: "The generation of creators who grew up between the 50s and 80s grew up watching sci-fi b-movies and sex comedies and thus took inspiration from them in developing the newer wave of anime starting from the '80s onward, and that influence has lingered on until today"

>>908
I would broaden it to American pop media in general, given 80s American action films and Bruce Lee defining FotNS plus other male-demo anime, or the cultural juggernaut of Star Wars showing up in everything. Hell, the homage culture Dirty Pair and Trek has is well documented by Trekkies.

>>908
I can kind of agree with what you're saying
but still meh. Most of these comparisons hes talking about don't work very well. It's obvious this guy only watches ecchi shit because he treats all of anime like it's only ecchi. He mentions sex comedies, yet explicit sex in anime hasn't been around since the 80s and even the explicit ones were stuff like Wicked City, not comedies. Nowadays the only anime comparable to what hes talking about is ecchi where the most you get is implications and some boobs if youre lucky. Even shonen doesn't go beyond some innuendos or panty shots at most. And I'd say the majority of modern service (that isn't ecchi) is more comparable to stuff before the 80s. I can remember panty shots in 70s stuff like Lupin, Galaxy Express, Gundam, and Ashita no Joe to name some. Anime has always had that light, gratuitous side that isn't ecchi or sex comedy stuff. If anything, the 80s was just a phase of that side and modern ecchi may be inspired by that, but definitely not anime as a whole, which has always been gratuitous (Tezuka was into animal girls ffs). Then there's the examples he provides to support his claims. First, Kimagure Orange Road. Well even that doesn't match because Madoka (the character hes talking about) is a huge anomaly as an anime love interest. She is nothing like your typical modern day anime love interest and so to say shes proof of the connection is negligent because she doesn't even match the typical anime love interest. His second example is how much cyberpunk anime is based off of Streets of Fire. Again, anime has been doing scifi since before B movies (Astro Boy for example). As well as this, cyberpunk anime doesn't exist anymore nor many remnants of it, that could just as easily be remnants of the pre 80s scifi boom. But even in the 80s his claims don't hold very well. You could use pretty much any Western scifi movie as a comparison to 80s anime and, in this case, there exist much better comparisons that don't fit the B movie criteria. For example, Mad Max 2, Blade Runner, 2001 Space Odyssey, etc.. Is it more likely that cyberpunk was inspired by Blade Runner (1981) or Streets of Fire (1984)? Well if you cherrypick Megazone 23 and Bubblegum Crisis as the whole of 80s anime (which he does) it's known that Streets of Fire inspired these two, but even these Post too long. Click here to view the full text.

I'm not so good at sorting thru and putting down my own opinions here, but I think The Notenki Memoirs by Yasuhiro Takeda is a good book to read, for insight: He was a founding member of Gainax and grew up in the era under discussion. Here's an excerpt:

"When I was a kid, I don’t think I was quite the geek I am now.As far back as I can remember, television was always a part of home life. The same goes for comic magazines like Shonen Magazine and Shonen Sunday, which made their debut in this world long before I did. Since much of the anime and manga of my formative years leaned toward sci-fi themes and settings, that genre became (and remains) my favorite. I was drawn in by the strange and powerful lure of futuristic stories—the future seemed so sublime, and filled me with longing. For a kid in those days, this kind of thinking was par the course. But there were plenty of fun things to do besides watching TV and reading comics, and I certainly didn’t spend my entire childhood wrapped up in anime and manga.In fact, there was really only one difference between other kids of that era and myself—I liked reading novels. I’ve already forgotten what sparked that interest, but it was in the fourth grade or so when I became an avid reader. While other kids were running around the schoolyard, I was running back and forth to the library. (I don’t think it was a time when you bought the books you liked—if you wanted to read one, you just went to the library.) I was hooked on sci-fi and mystery. Of course, the stories I read were adapted for gradeschoolers, and I simply devoured them. To name a few, there were titles like Lupin and Sherlock Holmes, and authors like Arthur C. Clarke⁠⁠3 and Robert A. Heinlein⁠⁠4—sci-fi novelists from the mid-’60s, whose works were considered required reading. That’s not to say I didn’t read other works. I explored almost every aisle of the library… with the result that I became a library assistant by the time I was in the fifth grade, simply because I could stay there for hours on end. All I ever wanted was just a little more time to read. Looking back on it now, my only regret is that I never sought out anyone to share in my little world."

Interesting to note that he namedrops Robert Heinlein as 'required reading', so maybe the Heyuri guy isn't so far off as he seems. But I'd have to read the whole book to really get it.

You can find it here:Post too long. Click here to view the full text.

Treasure Island's great. I watched it with some friends back in 2021 and it's just so....fun. It's just got this great sense of adventure and every episode just flew by. I love that Jim has a leopard cub and that Benbow grows up so at the end Jim is just this guy walking around with a leopard like it's totally normal. And it's got my favorite Long John Silver in media.

I'm going to pick up the official release for sure, I hope it gets more people watching it.

>>890
I also have a real soft spot for child main characters when they are done right and Jim was definitely done right.
It was an extremely surprising series since it did so many things that I wouldn't expect to see in a story based on an old adventure book like a morally gray antagonist who kind of wins in the end or most of the conflicts being battles of wits. I was fully expecting it to be cheesy swashbuckling action like those old pirate movies my great grandparents used to watch.
Silver is quite possibly my favorite anime antagonist of all time.
I am definitely going to have to read the book some time soon.

>what recent memes
Those soviet Livesy memes have led to some people in the animation community digging up other weird European Treasure Island adaptations and reevaluating stuff like Treasure Planet.

>>892
Treasure Planet is incredibly bizarre and half the time I couldn't make sense of what I was watching, but I have to give them some props for that ending.

I've had the show on my radar for ages; where I'm from (Arabia) it was extremely popular. Even saying it's popular doesn't even begin to scratch the surface.

Weird anecdote: my dad's an amputee so all his friends call him Long John Silver because of this anime.

>>892
Yeah, and not too long ago I watched the muppets rendition, still funny after all these years

Instructions unclear somehow I am here. Send help OP

Would Yandex yield far more results?

>>882
share where you found those, please!

I found these Higurashi-themed sites from the otaku documentary in >>877
https://web.archive.org/web/20070216204535/http://www.geocities.jp:80/loosedogtom/higurashi/higurashi.html
https://poopingpenis.web.fc2.com/higurasi/ (mirrored from trapmaster.topaz.ne.jp/higurasi/, I had a feeling it wouldn't last long, so thankfully I had the good conscience to save it since the Internet Archive didn't)

>>887 (me)
actually, it's still up, my browser just redirected it to HTTPS by default, so it wouldn't load

>>875
Captain Harlock became one of my favorite anime characters after I finished the 1978 TV Show and I really liked Arcadia of my Youth.
Right now I think I have around 30 episodes left until I'm done with GE999 and it's been amazing,I can't wait to see how it ends and to rewatch the movie.

>>877
The episode/arc where Harlock shows up is the best part imo. It's got new OST, punished Maetel, Harlock badassery, and an Arcadia cameo.

>>878
That’s some heavy maetel for an episode

>>879
-_-

I always want to watch his stuff but get filtered whenever these abominations appear.
It's not like he can't draw normal characters either.

>What's everyone's favorite episode of Patlabor?
The episode where Shinobu and Gotou stayed in a hotel and the one where they parody Ultraman.

>>870
kek that's a good one

>>853
I quite liked the one where the team have to go to retraining and Goto decides to fuck with them by staging a fake ghost haunting.

I tried watching the TV series, but I just couldn't stay with it. There first few episodes were all just a bunch of "funny" things happening, with no real overarching story arch. Is the whole thing just one lame comedy gag after another or is there a point where things start to get interesting?

>>873
An overarching plot does develop, but if you don't like the comedy I wouldn't bother. Patlabor (TV) is a comedy first and foremost.

>>843
He’ll yeah

>>843
He’ll yeah

>>848
>>849
Oh shit it got confused by the new capcha system and I thought I had to do it multiple times and the first image did pop up previously. Sorry for the repeat

>>843
who doesn't?

>>806
https://fullfrontal.moe/animage-1988-11-ova/

Animage industry interview from 1988, on the OVA market.

>>807
Excellent, I wanted to dive more into sakuga/animator culture. Thanks!

this stuff is really interesting, cheers

>>806
New interview with legendary animator Shinya Ohira.

https://fullfrontal.moe/nterview-shinya-ohira/

Ohira discusses Yoshinori Kanada, Masahito Yamashita, the new Urusei Yatsura series, and more!

"It’s well-known that you became an animator after discovering Masahito Yamashita’s[6] work on Urusei Yatsura[7]. What would you say is the appeal of Yamashita’s animation?

Shin’ya Ohira: Let’s see… (thinks) First, there’s the mood and dynamic action he inherited from Yoshinori Kanada[8]. But Yamashita has things that Kanada doesn’t, like physicality and details… It’s hard to express. Yamashita’s animation is both sharp and sensual. I really like that sort of fleshy mood, and I also love curved and irregular lines… Kanada used rulers, so it’s very sharp and straight, whereas Yamashita’s drawings are just curves, and he puts them together to create something very dense with details… (thinks) I think that’s what I like about him. That’s why I like Yamashita’s touch more than Kanada’s.

Since we’re on Urusei Yatsura, what movie is your favorite, Only You[9] or Beautiful Dreamer[10]?

Shin’ya Ohira: Only You, of course! (everybody laughs)

There’s a new Urusei Yatsura TV show coming out soon. Will you watch it?

Shin’ya Ohira: Well, you know… (laughs) The staff is totally different, and I’m not really into it for the story, so if Yamashita isn’t there, I don’t really intend to."

...

"Shin’ya Ohira: No, it hasn’t gone that far. Something small might happen soon, though. But I’d like to make something longer before I die. Actually, I want to try doing mecha again. Of course, not 3D, all by hand. Something like what we used to do in the 80s.

Won’t you do a remake of Birth[19]?

Shin’ya Ohira: (laughs) Yes, something like that! I want to go back to my roots, you see. At first, I really liked Kanada and Yamashita, but I was rejected for it, so I had to change. But with things as they are now, I’d like to return to how it was before. At least once, I’d like to do a long-form work with my own interpretation of Kanada and Yamashita’s styles, which I couldn’t do when I was 18 or 20. It doesn’t need a story; I’d rather do something like a documentary about this kind Post too long. Click here to view the full text.

>>806
>>807
Fascinating stuff, thanks OP.

>>799
No, because I heard the manga ruins the character of Kintaro, and I don't want that.

>>801
I read it to the end and it really goes off the rails.
Here's a basic summary of what I remember
-A long arc where Kintaro poses as a schoolgirl
-An arc where Kintaro's old college classmate is running a VR sex cult
-Kintaro gets hypnotized by the sex cult
-A flashback arc where you think you'll learn about Kintaro's past and why he travels and studies, but it's just lots of philosophizing and lots of sex
-Actually most of the later manga can be described as "lots of philosophizing and lots of sex"
-The art gets really weird and "stretchy" looking
-The manga ends abruptly in the middle of a sex scene--which featured lots of philosophizing

This might sound hard to believe but I actually like the manga and how crazy it gets.It's like the author dropped acid and decided to start experimenting

I'm currenly rewatching it. From the best retro anime, especially for an ecchi comedy. It sucks that they didn't made more episodes.

One of my favorite anime. Love the character designs, love the flexibility in the animation. Great characters. Arguably the best dub of its time (sub is great too!). Just a banger of an ecchi comedy.

>>800
Man, the manga certainly goes places. I wasn't expecting the hard turn into NTR drama for example or the rape scenes. This is one case where the anime absolutely beats the pants off the manga.

>>777
I hear that Trigun is one of the worse ones. I mean I watched Lain and Evangelion too to add to the list of tv anime but none looked this bad.

>>778
>I hear that Trigun is one of the worse ones
Trigun doesn't have that reputation, where are you hearing this?

>>777
Naw, I can think of plenty that are well animated most of the time. I haven't seen Trigun but 98-02 had more sketchily animated shows than before just because they started producing so much more so quickly. You go watch late 80s TV anime in comparison and generally things are much better animated.

>>771
Sure it's not a masterpiece by any means as far as the animation/production goes. But it's by no means a bad anime series. I have plenty of fond memories watching Trigun late at night on Adult Swim back in the day.

I didn't think it was bad at all. Hell it was overall pretty good but it is one of those shows I can't go back to after reading the manga which was way better. The only reason I am offended by Lost Universe is that we got an ugly CG Gaiden instead of the proper adaptation we could have finally got.