>>193
So instead of making posts about literature. You're just going to bitch about how you can't have a good place to discuss it. Just make some fucking friends who enjoy reading some worth while /lit/. You aren't going to find it here nor will you contribute in any meaningful way to remove such dullness.

>>194
This is very true but I am hesitant to post new threads because of the lack of replies on wapchan before the refugee crisis.

>>196
Have a favorite book? Talk about it. Its that simple. It could be the worst slop imaginable, but if you have some fun things to say about it. Go for it. No one is stopping you.

I guess it's because the great mahjority of the 4refugees are in the generals board.

I tend to abstain from most book talk because it's usually centered around people's opinions of a particular book or recommendations for some extremely niche topic, neither of which I have anything to say about. When it comes to talking about books, there is no place where I can just ramble about what book I am reading. There's no place for my thoughts on the random books I happen across in life on the internet, so I merely enjoy what other people have to say on the matter. That, plus I've really only been reading comics for the past little while.

>>118
>he thinks reading literature ends at high school

ngmi

>>118
>he thinks reading literature ends at high school

ngmi

>>113
It's something fails us. First we feel. Then we fall. And let her rain now if she likes. Gently or strongly as she likes. Anyway let her rain for my time is come. I done me best when I was let. Thinking always if I go all goes. A hundred cares, a tithe of troubles and is there one who understands me? One in a thousand of years of the nights? All me life I have been lived among them but now they are becoming lothed to me. And I am lothing their little warm tricks. And lothing their mean cosy turns. And all the greedy gushes out through their small souls. And all the lazy leaks down over their brash bodies. How small it's all! And me letting onto meself always. And lilting on all the time.
…
For 'tis they are the stormies. Ho hang! Hang ho! And the clash of our cries till we spring to be free. Auravoles, they says, never heed of your name! But I'm loothing them that’s here and all I lothe. Loonely in me loneness. For all their faults. I am passing out. O bitter ending! I'll slip away before they're up. They'll never see. Nor know. Nor miss me. And it's old and old it's sad and old it's sad and weary I go back to you, my cold father, my cold mad father, my cold mad feary father, till the near sight of the mere size of him, the moyles and moyles of it, moananoaning, makes me seasilt saltsick and I rush, my only, into your arms. I see them rising! Save me from those therrble prongs! Two more. Onetwo moremens more. So. Avelaval. My leaves have drifted from me. All. But one clings still. I'll bear it on me. To remind me of. Lff!

Happy St. Paddy's. I hope you're well, anon.

When I was in sixth grade I tried to read this and i was so harsh on myself for not understanding any of it, i was like: "I can't read in a foreign language for shit, I bet english first graders can read this with no problem".
I was so stupid.

>>113
Reading it soon (with a v) this year.

>>55
*writer's blocks you*

Love me
I just want to be loved
I don't care who is
male or female

Whether he is the most virtuous of all beings on earth or the most cruel and vile human that gives him the title of hell of this world

As long as he fills me
I will accept him
As long as he loves me I will accept him
Therefore love me

And death shall have no dominion.
Dead men naked they shall be one
With the man in the wind and the west moon;
When their bones are picked clean and the clean bones gone,
They shall have stars at elbow and foot;
Though they go mad they shall be sane,
Though they sink through the sea they shall rise again;
Though lovers be lost love shall not;
And death shall have no dominion.

And death shall have no dominion.
Under the windings of the sea
They lying long shall not die windily;
Twisting on racks when sinews give way,
Strapped to a wheel, yet they shall not break;
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>>136
I accidentally hit the button while typing ;-;

Go, and catch a falling star,
Get with child a mandrake root,
Tell me, where all past years are,
Or who cleft the Devil's foot,
Teach me to hear Mermaids singing,
Or to keep off envy's stinging,
And find
What wind
Serves to advance an honest mind.

If thou beest born to strange sights,
Things invisible to see,
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>>55
A poem that perfectly encapsulates the modern world, approaching the spiritual idealism of a Schiller.

THERE is a bondage worse, far worse, to bear
Than his who breathes, by roof, and floor, and wall,
Pent in, a Tyrant's solitary Thrall:
'Tis his who walks about in the open air,
One of a Nation who, henceforth, must wear
Their fetters in their souls. For who could be,
Who, even the best, in such condition, free
From self-reproach, reproach that he must share
With Human-nature? Never be it ours
To see the sun how brightly it will shine,
And know that noble feelings, manly powers,
Instead of gathering strength, must droop and pine;
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>>216
Steppenwolf like the band?

>>218
Like the book by Hermann Hesse. You cannot read a band, I think.

>>216
Two Hermann Hesse suggestions in one thread. Spicy.

>>188
There's definitely some connection.
Joe's writer was on some level of the same ideological line as Mishima, and the artist was a communist.
So you got a strong mix of the two where you have this sense that the only real end for greatness is death, but this death is itself a form of personal revolution. The greatest thing the working class can achieve is a good death.

>>222
Japanese new left and the ultra nationalists had a strange relationship. Mishima used to visit left wing student groups often. They both shared a hatred for the Japanese establishment and a romantic heroic attitude that idolized martyrdom hated the flabbyness of liberal democracy. For Mishima it was a personal individual thing, for the new left it was dying for the socialist cause or something.

On Suicide Bombing by Talal Asad.
Its not about suicide bombers themselves, but a cultural analysis of Western liberals and how they react to what they call terrorism. The book presents some arguments that are disturbing and hard to swallow. Difficult read.

I've felt motivated to reread Democracy The God That Failed. It's still probably the best chud book ever made

>>209
IMO you should read "A Short History of Man" by the same author instead, if you haven't already; it's almost as good as "Democracy: the God that failed".

>>213
I like the Great Courses too my good sir, I'm listening (and watching) to How to Listen and Understand Great Music by Robert Greenberg. I don't like how he spergs out against certain germans and seems to excuse some fucked up Jewish individuals; but otherwise it's very good.
I'm also listening to Journey to the End of the Night by Céline. So far so good, it had its great moments but I have to keep reading. Hopefully it's better than War, it's the only other Céline book I read and I wasn't a fan.

>>202
Yummy drink!

Picrel is a good read. Also acts as an interesting introduction of African anthropolgy, as well. >>202

>>210
Although it's worth noting that it isn't written by Africans and the myths are largely taken from anthropolgy papers. It gives a very good insight into Pagan African culture and how migrations and hunter-gatherer cultures really shaped the continent.

>>210
Thanks for the suggestion anon. I'll go find it in the wild and get my hands on a copy. African paganism has some of the strangest stories that I would love to read.

>>86
>Does that make scribbles on a bathroom stall lit?
There are some theorists of literature who ask that question and some say we have no right to objectively say it isn't lit. Usually, gatekeepers decide what gets counted as lit and so bathroom stall scribbles get excluded. Gatekeeping isn't inherently a bad thing, its necessary to some extent, but it would be interesting to see what would happen if you started treating bathroom stall scribbles and shitposts as literature. In Japan there was a trend where people would type out short stories and poems on flip phones or write stories modeled on 2channel threads and there are some places where you have entire archived threads that detail some weird paranormal thing that happened to OP. Can you consider that lit?

>>94
>You don't need a cultural elite to understand what literature is and what isn't.
The sociologists aren't saying you need some Leninist vanguard to decide what lit is but that the definition of literature is arbitrary. Stuff only gets labelled as lit when enough people in literary circles begin slapping that label on it. Otaku related stuff only becomes otaku associated when enough people from that culture adopt it and it becomes a staple within their in group.

>Perhaps we can restructure the boards so delineations are more clear.
I don't think that's really necessary. I guess renaming /lit/ to /book/ might be better but its not like there's a real need to do this. I don't think most people even disagree on this question. Its just interesting to ask the perennial question of "what even is lit anyway?" which nobody will be able to definitively answer. I don't think that's such a bad thing though.

Personally, when I think lit I think of books and oral stories. VNs don't fit that. The user experience is more like a game. You get the software and run it on a machine. You don't do that with a book, unless your using a digital copy I guess. Because we think of physical books when we think lit, its different enough from reading a book that it can be considered distinct. Although, you could probably apply some literary critical methods to VNs. The real Post too long. Click here to view the full text.

>>82
Less is more
VNs are VNs, the vibe is different

The premise of this supposed dilemma is wrong and evil. If instead of letting a label (in this case "literature") define the purpose of a board, and then let everyone fight over their personal interpretation of that label, you directly define what things are and aren't supposed to be discussed in the board to begin with, the conflict simply evaporates.
This post is literature, btw.
The sticky clearly says that
>[besides certain exceptions for NSFW] you can discuss anything you want
So I think VNs are on-topic in this board.

some are moreso than others
you can have vns which have absolutely no reader interactability, no voicelines, just a wall of text that covers the screen with decorative borders, a background image, and some elevator music which are basically just a book with some extra bells and whistles like the original higurashi or seabed
or you have straight up point and click games that use text to drive the story and have countless routes like yu-no
they all really just fall on a spectrum and every vn does things differently