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 No.215[Reply]


= N O T I C E =

As of April 16th 2025, any discussion of manga and anime will be outcast from this board. We have at least four boards you can post that stuff too. Out of respect for the users of /lit/ please do not post manga/anime related images unless they have a book edited within the picture (as shown in pic related). Any discussions about manga/anime will be moved to their respective boards. The only Japanese related media that can be posted here is literature. Thank you.

- janny off the payroll.


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 No.33[Reply]

...Wapchan's greatest battleground. Anything relating to the topic of literature can be discussed here; from fiction, to politics, and philosophy—so long as it's civil. Any and all threads shilling an ideology or narrative will be removed. For any erotic literature; it’s allowed, so long as extremely graphic prose is spoilered. This rule also applies to all NSFW images that accompany the thread. Other than that, you can discuss anything you want.


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 No.265[Reply]

I'm writing a lit-rpg and I want your opinions on the matter, Wapchan! The attached PDF contains the first three chapters (the first part of the prologue).

Plot/Query Letter: The young Rinaldo Di Mario never asked to be the scion of the Di Mario Family, the current rulers of the Free City of Maria—the wealthiest city on Earth. His dream was to live a peaceful life, spending his days reading books and playing with his little black cat. However, his surname attracted many enemies, and after yet another assassination attempt, he realized that wealth and power were not worth the constant stress. Thus, he faked his death and started a new life in the one place no one would ever think to look for a Marian—the magical Miraval Academy.

Magic interconnects everything. From the largest monster to the smallest molecule, Mana flows freely through their masses, destroying every limit imposed by the gray laws of physics. Hence, everyone can use magic to some degree, but only the few blessed by the Chaotic Gods can grasp its true depths—the Essentias.

Thanks to their unmatched powers, Essentias rule over the Holy Rolandish Empire—the most powerful nation in the world—as a de facto ruling caste. To secure their roles within their elitist society, each of them is nurtured at the prestigious Miraval Academy, where the young mages are trained to master their abilities. However, among the Essentias a rigid hierarchy exists, which divides them according to their power—Class S are revered as gods, while Class F are treated as human trash by the higher ranks. Consequently, on their first day at the Academy, the Class Assignment determines whether their life will be remembered as a tragedy or a glorious legend. There, Rinaldo shatters every record by becoming the weakest Essentia in history—an FFF-Class 'Javelinist.'

If being doomed to a life worse than mediocrity wasn’t bad enough, the worst is yet to come. Enduring the eccentricities of his fellow noble classmates, uncovering a millennia-old secret organization plotting to destabilize the world, and surviving a war between two superpowers—these events are just the beginning of the unlucky life of the soon-to-be antagonist of this tale.

P.S.:If you click on the underlined words, you will get a nice surprise.
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 No.292

>>291
Thanks, bro.

Anyway, the book is already complete, but it still needs a revision that I plan to handle gradually, chapter by chapter

My current plan is to finish revising another four chapters, trim the glossary to include just three entries per chapter, and then create a final PDF as the official starting point of the project. After that, I’ll share it across as many sites as possible to gain some attention.

For the online release, what do you think about publishing the first three chapters all at once, making them digestible, and then releasing the rest weekly?

 No.293

>>292
Sounds like a good plan. Releasing it in parts really does sound like the way to go. You should probably try to find some people who've done something similar, but either way you're going to learn as you go.

 No.294

>>293
Yeah, I'll delve into the rabbit hole.
>>275

Anyway, I've just rewritten the part you have found hard to digest:

A myriad of millennia-old oak trees obscured the side view, forming an open-sky aisle paved with yellow and red leaves now crossed by new adepts ready to be indoctrinated by a modern idol deemed infallible—Education.

The temple they were approaching wasn't, originally, a pagan one. As tall as the monuments to greed called skylines but stripped of any source of pride, this circular colossus was built, stone upon stone, by sinners as penance for having eclipsed the sun in their era, but, now, admired by thousands of bewitched infidels. However, there was an exception. A lone devotee who kept his eyes down, afraid of being uncovered by the 'Wicked Heresiarch' now spying through the temple's small-round eye.

Consequently, his gaze fell upon the building beneath, founded by exiled priests guilty of pledging allegiance to an author rather than accepting chaos as the ruler of their lives—'La Sacrée Cathédrale Notre-Dame des Saints Miraval.' The legendary cathedral possessed half the ego of the pagan temple but ten times its magnificence, renowned across the continent for its façade—a mosaic of millions of tiny, colored glass pieces depicting the twelve holy heroes.

Clearly, I won't rewrite my entire book like this, but do you find this style helpful to make the descriptions more digestible?

 No.296

>>294
That's much better. The only thing I'd change is
>The legendary cathedral possessed half the ego of the pagan temple
to
>The legendary cathedral was half as tall as the pagan temple
You could also say "possessed half the height," but I find the alliteration a little awkward there. The main thing is that "ego" is a little unclear. Ego… pride? arrogance? grandeur? You're saying it's humbler, but then more magnificent. Height is more specific.
Anyway I hope that doesn't sound like I'm ragging on it, it's just a small thing. That section is a big improvement imo

 No.299

>>296
In the end I settled for AMBITION.

Anyway, I don't know if you are still here, but here the full 135 pages of introduction. Give me two or three weeks for the online serialization to start.

https://files.catbox.moe/ss42h2.pdf



 No.298[Reply]

Examine yourself.


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 No.13[Reply]

What (non-manga) have you anons been reading lately? Post your book, what you think of it, and talk to other anons about what they've been reading!

I've been tearing through One Hundred Years of Solitude the past few days, don't know why I put it off for so long; 100% lives up to the hype.
People really weren't exaggerating about the incest and shared names though holy shit.
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 No.134

>>18
> first four books of Robert Jordan's Wheel of Time series
What prevents you from embracing this amazing work of art? It only gets more frustrating, but when you get used to it, you can finally delve into the atmosphere. I think all of the drawbacks are to be blamed on his wife. Women only exist to manipulate you and give you trouble, and they can do it in their sleep! I bet she has been sticking her nose into his work all the while!

 No.235

I’m reading Moby Dick. 70% done and enjoying it so far. Next up are some books about Hinduism

 No.239

been reading Histories by Herodotus.
It inspired me to start studying ancient greek, and I've spent the past two weeks mostly translating Aesops fables as practice, with the eventual goal being to tackle Histories in its original language.

 No.240

The only books i have been reading are university manuals, i can't do this anymore.
I'm tired.

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The prose is a bit mannered but I'm sticking with it bc I heard good things



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 No.113[Reply]

Why aren't you reading it?
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 No.132

>>118
>he thinks reading literature ends at high school

ngmi

 No.133

>>113
It's something fails us. First we feel. Then we fall. And let her rain now if she likes. Gently or strongly as she likes. Anyway let her rain for my time is come. I done me best when I was let. Thinking always if I go all goes. A hundred cares, a tithe of troubles and is there one who understands me? One in a thousand of years of the nights? All me life I have been lived among them but now they are becoming lothed to me. And I am lothing their little warm tricks. And lothing their mean cosy turns. And all the greedy gushes out through their small souls. And all the lazy leaks down over their brash bodies. How small it's all! And me letting onto meself always. And lilting on all the time.

For 'tis they are the stormies. Ho hang! Hang ho! And the clash of our cries till we spring to be free. Auravoles, they says, never heed of your name! But I'm loothing them that’s here and all I lothe. Loonely in me loneness. For all their faults. I am passing out. O bitter ending! I'll slip away before they're up. They'll never see. Nor know. Nor miss me. And it's old and old it's sad and old it's sad and weary I go back to you, my cold father, my cold mad father, my cold mad feary father, till the near sight of the mere size of him, the moyles and moyles of it, moananoaning, makes me seasilt saltsick and I rush, my only, into your arms. I see them rising! Save me from those therrble prongs! Two more. Onetwo moremens more. So. Avelaval. My leaves have drifted from me. All. But one clings still. I'll bear it on me. To remind me of. Lff!

Happy St. Paddy's. I hope you're well, anon.

 No.226

When I was in sixth grade I tried to read this and i was so harsh on myself for not understanding any of it, i was like: "I can't read in a foreign language for shit, I bet english first graders can read this with no problem".
I was so stupid.

 No.227

>>113
Reading it soon (with a v) this year.

 No.295

steve donoghue told me not to waste my time with it



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 No.236[Reply]

I feel like rasta literature would be pretty good. It's a shame there isn't much of a Rastafarian literary community.
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 No.263

>>260
I'd contend that America has produced great authors, I will defend Cormac McCarthy in this regard. Australia is young, less populous, and great authors cannot be guaranteed by even the most favorable circumstances. Despite what our Rasta friend might assume as well, I don't hold it against cultures that do not produce great writers, they very well may have other virtues worthy of admiration.

 No.283

>>260

Ozfren here. I tend to agree with >>255

There are a few reasons for it

- The country was made by bureaucratic agreement rather than the rifle; great writing often emenates from popular galvanization and pushback against authority. How does anyone achieve that in a society that formed by permission? It's often been said it's a mistake to think of Australia as having been built by convicts as opposed to prison officers.

- Climate. Great literary traditions often have a lot of indoors time by necessity.

- Bad incentives and top-down narratives. AU publishing only wants to print a few specific types of novel, and lots of attempts to subvert that or deliver it something outside the mold will be met with attempts to fit it back into the preferred molds. Being corporations, you've also got the state continually reinforcing the idea that the most noble 'intellectual' pursuit of our literature is addressing Le Reconciliation. That, or forcing WW2 memes like Kokoda

- Lack of imagination. This may well be the least exclusively applicable to Oz - most Anglophone industrial nations suffer this b/c their education systems simply prepare bodies for the university system - but it's still a contributing factor. Australian society is extremely materialist, and the best path to succes with values like that is conformity to rules, often for conformity's sake

I want to revisit local writers. I've read Malouf, White, Carey, etc in the past but it was 10+ years ago. But I go to bookshops in current year and nothing with an 'Australian-writer' coded cover piques my interest

 No.284

>>283
Of course Australia has a shit literary culture. I don't disagree with most of your statements, although I do think you underrate the potential of the Anglo cultural heritage and its inevitable preservation among the talented individuals of the populace. Any country with such a heritage is going to produce a certain quality of literature just as a byproduct. I don't see much that is significantly holding down the literary potential of our country, other than the same problems faced globally, since elements like climate do little in shaping the cultural life of an advanced people. Certainly, there is quite a dearth of positive elements to INSPIRE literature, but little in the way of restraining it, other than, again, the global-modern elements everyone knows about. For our small population and short history there is no reason why we should be producing anything more than we have. Australians tend to be very neurotically self-critical of their own culture, but there's no reason for it. South Africans don't cry and shit their pants because South Africa isn't competing with German literature.

What I was criticising in that anon was the ridiculous claim that Nigeria, or any black-African country, has produced superior literature to Australia. It's just a matter of objectivity.

 No.286

>>284
>What I was criticising in that anon was the ridiculous claim that Nigeria, or any black-African country, has produced superior literature to Australia. It's just a matter of objectivity.

I knew you were gonna bite!

 No.288

>>284

i found a copy of Tsiolkas' book Barracuda. Gonna read and report back (this thread will still be alive by the time i do lel). It's 500 pages so my filler senses are tingling, but he's supposed to be a decent current writer🐔



 No.139[Reply]

Okay let's try one of these threads here. Pretty self-explanatory. Post an anime and get a book recc.
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 No.221

>>216
Two Hermann Hesse suggestions in one thread. Spicy.

 No.222

>>188
There's definitely some connection.
Joe's writer was on some level of the same ideological line as Mishima, and the artist was a communist.
So you got a strong mix of the two where you have this sense that the only real end for greatness is death, but this death is itself a form of personal revolution. The greatest thing the working class can achieve is a good death.

 No.223

>>222
Japanese new left and the ultra nationalists had a strange relationship. Mishima used to visit left wing student groups often. They both shared a hatred for the Japanese establishment and a romantic heroic attitude that idolized martyrdom hated the flabbyness of liberal democracy. For Mishima it was a personal individual thing, for the new left it was dying for the socialist cause or something.

 No.249

>>145
The catcher in the rye.

 No.282

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>>200
I recommend the John Rain series by Barry Eisler. It's basically a darker and edgier version of City Hunter but with some more martial arts feeling (John Rain is a Judoka). The only thing missing is the humor, but John Rain is still a womanizer regardless, albeit a more psychopathic one. I only read the first book (Clean Kill in Tokyo, originally published as Rain Fall), but it reminded me of City Hunter in a few aspects.

As for me, I'd really want a /lit/ recommendation for Captain Harlock. I want the same kind of space adventure feel but with a lot of the similar themes and general atmosphere, especially something where the protag isn't really tied to any kind of military and is just fighting for his own values and freedom.



 No.234[Reply]

What are your favourite Shakespeare plays? In my opinion, Measure for Measure is an extremely underrated work.

>Could great men thunder

>As Jove himself does, Jove would ne'er be quiet,
>For every pelting, petty officer
>Would use his heaven for thunder;
>Nothing but thunder! Merciful Heaven,
>Thou rather with thy sharp and sulphurous bolt
>Split'st the unwedgeable and gnarled oak
>Than the soft myrtle: but man, proud man,
>Drest in a little brief authority,
>Most ignorant of what he's most assured,
>His glassy essence, like an angry ape,
>Plays such fantastic tricks before high heaven
>As make the angels weep; who, with our spleens,
>Would all themselves laugh mortal.

 No.241

I started with King Lear a few weeks ago and haven't gotten around to anything else since then, but I plan on reading more. The only other play I've read was Hamlet and that was when I was 13.
Lear was great. Is there any character who gets treated more unfairly than Cordelia? I'm under the impression that most tragic characters more or less deserve what happens, but she was a total angel.

>…You have seen

>Sunshine and rain at once: her smiles and tears
>Were like a better day: those happy smilets
>That play'd on her ripe lip seem'd not to know
>What guests were in her eyes; which parted thence
>As pearls from diamonds dropp'd. - In brief, sorrow
>Would be a rarity most belov'd if all
>Could so become it.

 No.242

>>241
>Is there any character who gets treated more unfairly than Cordelia?
Maybe Desdemona from Othello? Although, in the case of Cordelia, it seems to me more that her suffering exists for the inevitable effect it will have on Lear, and the pity his character evokes, rather than for us to pity her fate. After the first scene we don't actually see her suffer, she dies off stage and we only see Lear's reaction. Meanwhile you actually see [spoiler][spoiler][spoiler]Desdemona strangled on stage.[spoiler][spoiler][spoiler].

 No.250

This guy is gay.

 No.276

Watch Shakespeare first (theatre or film) then enjoy the text. Education system gets this in the wrong order (text first) and it turns each generation off what should be their pride and joy as English speakers

I watched Titus (1999) recently. pretty good. Aaron is a good villain and his scaffold speech is memorable

 No.278

>>276
The problem is more that most actors in Shakespeare are atrocious and that teachers suck. People have appreciated Shakespeare as a purely literary phenomenon for centuries, even if it's not the ideal, and he will continue to be appreciated as such for centuries to come. You can still see the drama in your mind's eye via reading.



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 No.266[Reply]

What a wonderful piece of literature. For his first English novel, he did a fantastic job building his prose around the death of a writer. Everything in this book flows beautifully and every single line is well thought out and greatly coordinated. Great care was taken to make the reader be beside the main character of this story, as if you were following him through his journey to find out more about his brother (Sebastian Knight) and seeing him fit pieces of the puzzle that is his life. The wit is immense and hilariously funny, the ending being one of wit and of sadness. A must read, I highly recommend it.

 No.267

>>266
"Poor Knight! he really had two periods, the first -a dull man writing broken English, the second -a broken man writing dull English"



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