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>>2165
>Who is your favorite /cel/ anime character.
Definitely a tie between Kei and Yuri from Dirty Pair.
>Could you be friends with them IRL?
I don't know, maybe? I don't see them taking someone else onto their team, but I could be a contact within the WWWA like Chief Gooley.

>favorite /cel/ anime character
This is a tough one.. I guess the elevator girl from the original Hunter x Hunter. I’ve watched a lot less /cel/ anime so its hard to say.

>Could you be friends with them IRL?
Probably not. I haven’t had friends since like the first year of elementary school. I don’t even have friends online.

All boxing stories follow a simmilar plot structure more or less. Its genre convention. Hajime no Ippo gets repetitive after a while but I've never felt that way about Ashita no Joe.

>George is probably going to have something occur that will make him go back to boxing again but what that is we don't know.
Wait... they are still publishing this series! Hang up the gloves already George!

>>2762
Yeah, well Joe didn't go on for 30 years....

>>2771
Yeah but Hajime no Ippo gets boring fast. Talking - fight scene - talking. Is pretty much the structure of that show. It feels like groundhog day except it never ends.

Considering Joe is THE boxing manga yea I would say he ripped it off or at least capitalized off its popularity. The other guy mentioned the different artstyles, but they don't mention the similarities. The muscle tone is clearly taken from Joe. It's like taking the Mcdonalds arch, turning it upside down, changing the color, and making a new burger chain. The details don't really matter, especially since Ippo is the crappier narrative, when it's obviously a ripoff, by that if it weren't for Joe it wouldn't exist.

I remember when George Murikawa drew a cover for Ring magazine and all the boxing degenerates were complaining about wapaneses.

>>2901
Saw the series relatively recently with some uni friends (we got together one day a week on an empty classroom to binge a few episodes).

The inmediate message I understood from it is that it was saying the internet will become (or had become) another factor of the fabric of reality, and one that could very much have an impact on the "real" world, and that this is most likely a bad thing, after all, characters kill themselves to live on within the Wired (which is certainly social commentary), the usage of religious language being used to touch on these points.

The noosphere and ESP stuff referring to how the internet is similar to Jung's collective unconscious idea given a virtual form, you combine that with some of the allusions to godhood that the Wired is given and you get something about perhaps God being brought to life due to human belief in it and not the other way, in that sense that would explain why Lain becomes a goddess by surpassing the old guy whose name I can't remember at the end of the series, because she fully became one with the wired which is already supercharged with psychic energy or whatever.

Lain as a character is also used to comment on the nature of a person acting different on the net (hence how different Wired Lain and "Real" Lain are).

That aside, something we noted is that it felt like the anime went through a midseries change in plot, or that there were a good number of rewrites after some episodes, mostly due to how quickly some plot elements were ignored or quickly passed over, the Accela stuff being the prime example, in that sense, it felt like it lost a fair amount of coherence on its topic and that perhaps that's why it felt so erratic, it's all conjecture on our part thought.

In my entirely personal opinion, the story just didn't push on its final point, at the end, Lain should've either completely disconnected from the wired, or killed herself and forcefully terminate everyone's goals for the wired, I think that's how SEL could've mantained some coherency.

I didn't bother playing the PS1 game but its apparently a super important sequel.

>>3643
The PS1 game is more of an alternate version than a sequel. It shares some characters and concepts but is otherwise separate from the anime.
Based on some of your criticisms, you might like it more. It's a more cohesive experience even if the way the story is told is very scattered. There's a good english web version here if you're interested.
https://laingame.net/

>>2901
Loved this show when it was originally airing. I think the reason modern audiences don't understand it is because they don't remember what it was like before the internet/global network/wired was everywhere and connected to everything. When this show originally aired there was still a huge divide in society where most people either didn't interact with the internet (and the people on it) at all or they only interacted with it through limited or secondary means. By that I mean. You might have an email address for the company you worked with but you rarely used it for anything beyond getting reports from 2-3 people. Or you saw print outs of stuff someone else printed off from the web. Maybe you dialed in for a couple of hours now and again to browse a handful of websites. But most people weren't doing stuff like building up a friend group online on BBSs/forums/IRC. The people that were really into the internet and doing those things were seen as strange by most of society. Even they unplugged now and again either by choice or not. Since you had to disconnect from time to time to maintain a normal life. There was no internet in your pocket at all times. You had to be at your "home base" to interact with it or you had to rent time on someone else's system at places like the library or school.

Those of us that were already really into the internet *got* the show because we could see the internet invading more and more activities in life at that time. Even the people that watched it a few years after it aired didn't have that kind of experience. Since things like broadband were starting to become available to most people (thus allowing 24/7 connections) and flip phones were becoming affordable. Society changed rapidly from about mid-1999 to 2002. It's really had to describe to someone that didn't live through those years just how much change happened in that short amount of time. Most people I know in the states weren't even aware of Lain until 2004+. Since tape trading/early digisubs were kind of a closed circle and Lain didn't get dubbed+aired on America TV until years later. I forget the actual date the dub aired in America but I think it was after ZDTV/TechTV changed its programming blocks for geek stuff to start including gaming+otaku stuff. So I'd say it was after 2003 at least and maybe later.

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>>3643
>different Wired Lain and "Real" Lain are
There's a nuance here people miss. There is Iwakura Lain (irl one) and Lain of the Wired. Afaik an iwakura is a sacred rock where a kami resides. The name Iwakura is never used for Lain's wired self. Usually, people see Lain as someone who's become a goddess via the wired, but the show seems to be suggesting the opposite. There is an original sacred human nature which is lost as someone interacts with the wired. By the end of the show, Lain isn't a god, she's just an internet schizo.

>it felt like the anime went through a midseries change in plot, or that there were a good number of rewrites after some episodes, mostly due to how quickly some plot elements were ignored or quickly passed over
Not sure this really is a flaw. A good chunk of the anime is visualizing Lain's experiences on the wired. Like most people online today, she's constantly cycling through masses of information, fixating on one thing, then shifting to whatever else that titillates her short attention span. It feels erratic and it should because the internet makes us erratic consumers of ultimately meaningless and incoherent data.

>>3646
This. SEL is filled with that 90s zeitgeist. Well into the 2000s, socializing online still felt like a relatively niche thing. Physical media (newspapers, VHS, cassettes, letters) were on the cusp of obsolesce but still widely used.

Its not just lain. virtually every popular anime is popular for the wrong reasons.like they werent paying attention to what the animators were saying.

>>3605
I guess it would be good to know what kind of anime you are into. If you liked Akira then try Dominion Tank Police, Cyber City Oedo 808 or Jin Roh.

>>3606
Is there any good shojo series? ^-^

>>3610
I'd say any CLAMP or Showa 24 Group work would do nicely, maybe Minky Momo if you want historical significance

>>3605
>>3610
Not a lady… but I do like old dramatic shoujo. To me the go-to for that would have to mention the big 70s series first:
1973 Aim for the Ace! (+80s sequels)
1976 Candy Candy
1979 Rose of Versailles

And then add:
1969 Attack No. 1
1984 Glass Mask
1991 Oniisama e…
Plus shoujo-adjacent WMT series like Perrine, Anne and Sara.

>>3642
I love Oniisama e, I once saw it described as the "uber-shoujo" which is I think apt

For many years i couldnt find this show but i knew i saw it sometime in the mid 80s on tv because i couldnt figure out what it was called, when someone mentioned the right name i thought they were joking but sure enough that was it.
Do you have any soviet stuff for reference?
I was under the impression that this whole style was made from a hybrid of western influence at japan and their own character stylization right at the end of the seventies.

>>3636
I miss this time period because there was a Japanese art style from the 79-84 which was more grounded and naturalistic like Ulysses 31. It more or less died out in Japan with the anime boom from 1985 onwards and the giant eyes won out. The naturalistic art style lived on with Japanese co-productions like Transformers and GI Joe, and influenced american animation of that era.

>>3636
>>3637
>>3638
Not to mention that this was a collaboration with DIC so it had a western release in mind

I am glad big eyes prevailed and Japanese animation did not become too close to Western animation styles

Disney had less cartoony styles too. And anime and manga also sometimes use styles that are less similar to what people think of when they think anime. Though your talking about manga being more similar to this isn't really true. Manga has a larger variety of art styles I'd say (though if you look at the entire history of anime it's not like there haven't been a variety of styles there either) but it's definitely not true that manga tends to be more "naturalistic" than anime and there's plenty of manga that have styles even more simplistic than you typically get in anime. In fact I've noticed anime tend to even upgrade art styles sometimes when the typical thinking is that anime simplifies styles to make them easier to animate.
>>3638
I would not say 79 to 84 was as a whole more grounded and naturalistic. Fucking Gundam was 1979 and that has a lot of similarities to Hanna-Barbara cartoons in terms of style. People like to pretend that the "mature" OVAs they watch were representative of anime at the time.

Do not forget the one and only Grendizer

Time when protagonists and mechs were so epic you actually wanted to pilot something like this, wearing this awesome outfit. Good music too. No amount of Gundam could get even close.

>>3613
I just started watching this after finishing harlock, have watched the previous two Mazinger installments but I really do like this one, also saw the crossover movie where Great Mazinger gets stolen

>>3614
OH and additionally I’ve also started watching the original space battleship Yamato series, only twelve episodes in and it’s pretty amazing, especially for the time it came out

>>3617
Finished 1974 Yamato, that was probably one of the best space adventure saga’s I’ve seen in a long time. Very beautiful and awe astonishing storytelling for its time, I am somewhat skeptical on how it supposedly inspired George Lucas since pre production of Star Wars started around the same year but goddamn if the similarities are just that coincidental I’d be more surprised if nothing of it was used as a source of influence at all. Regardless I think this is my new favorite anime from the decade

>>3614
Finished grendizer, and with that I’ve seen the entirety of the Mazinger trilogy, actually I’ve seen most of the 70s dynamic pro shows now that I’m thinking about it, the only one’s I haven’t seen yet now is the getter robo shows, enma kun, and that one magical girl show where they got the design of Maria fleed from(including voice actress). Although that show isn’t my cup of tea.

No one's done Wizardry OVA.

>>2924
The Dirty Pair anime is going to be 40 years old in a few months.

Nice, Slam Dunk is honestly a really good manga. It was one of the few manga's that made me understand Sports on a deeper level. There's a part in the manga where one character couldn't play in a very important game due to an injury and he cries as he is sent off the court. I remember finding it odd and almost comical, it's just an injury until it's explained that he trained for this exact game, he spent days over months training every part of his body to play in this EXACT game and through no fault of his own, he cannot continue and must be sent off.

Interestingly, a few months later I was randomly watching a game of Football with a friend and the exact same thing happened (player injured in the final, he cries as he's forced to retire from the game) and I would've laughed before but now I truly understood.

It's a shame it never really got a true adaptation (I believe the 90's version stops about 70% through) but at least it's a finished Manga unlike Inoue's other manga….

Also best girl

>>3616
Hope you enjoy it. Aside from the TV anime, the movie is a good complement to the manga, it isn't a 1 to 1 adaptation of those chapters, but you'd definitely enjoy it more after you've finished reading the manga. I'm glad I got to watch it in a movie theater.