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 No.2693[Reply]

Is it me or did George Murikawa actually rip off Ashita no Joe?

1. Vaguely similar art style and aesthetics
2. Young man from a disadvantaged background making his way up in the fight game (literally every boxing story at this point)
3. Tragic end where the protagonist ends up punch drunk and is totally fucked over.
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 No.2772

>>2771
Yeah but Hajime no Ippo gets boring fast. Talking - fight scene - talking. Is pretty much the structure of that show. It feels like groundhog day except it never ends.

 No.2775

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Considering Joe is THE boxing manga yea I would say he ripped it off or at least capitalized off its popularity. The other guy mentioned the different artstyles, but they don't mention the similarities. The muscle tone is clearly taken from Joe. It's like taking the Mcdonalds arch, turning it upside down, changing the color, and making a new burger chain. The details don't really matter, especially since Ippo is the crappier narrative, when it's obviously a ripoff, by that if it weren't for Joe it wouldn't exist.

 No.3649

I remember when George Murikawa drew a cover for Ring magazine and all the boxing degenerates were complaining about wapaneses.

 No.4090

All boxing fiction fixates on the underdog because it reflects the reality of the "sport" (really just legalized assault) and its what makes boxing appealing. You don't become a human punching bag if you don't have to. When was the last upper class rich kid from the suburbs to become a legit boxing champion? They are all poor kids, refugees, homeless people, ethnic minorities, proles from working families, and kids who were bullied at school. Now a lot of boxing fiction has this "pull yourself up by the bootstraps and be the self made man" theme which is bourgeois capitalist propaganda, as if individual effort can overcome hard societal obstacles.

Ashita no Joe subverts this theme because its heavily implied Joe dies in the end, slumping over in his corner so you can work your ass off, but you can never quite escape or it just kills you. So did boxing save Joe or did it kill him? If he's really dead, aren't we in someway complicit for cheering on a bloodsport where young men are beaten and severely injured? By comparison, Hajime no Ippo feels like a more sanitized depiction of the fight game with all the moral ambiguity stripped away.

 No.4111

Ippo references or cribs from Joe quite a lot, other than the stuff already mentioned. Like Takamura eating a tomato a day to diet like Rikiishi, one of the characters being essentially Joe with a kansai accent, the world champion being a pretty blatant expy of the world champ from Joe.

But if we're really to compare them generally then Joe just has much more substance. At the end of the day Ippo is for the most part a feel-good sports manga that tends to settle into a status quo and repeatedly reset to it for hundreds of chapters at a time, and most of it consists of throwing a kid with no personality in a boxing ring to win over and over again. Ashita no Joe is a study of a very complex character whose circumstances and psychology are constantly changing and evolving, gets into things like philosophy of life, and for as much as Joe finds meaning through picking up boxing it's much more upfront about him having to grapple with the destruction and even death that boxing can bring into people's lives. It's also a social commentary born from the social inequality that was lying underneath the perceived prosperity of Japan in the 1960s, where boxing doubles as a mirror against this (Joe feeling like he can get somewhere by embracing the rules of boxing whereas society remains unfair to Joe even if he conforms better to its rules and customs). Ippo is decidedly not this thoughtful.
Joe by the end has transformed from a brash juvenile delinquent to a quieter, more empathetic and more thoughtful man harboring a lot of guilt and alienation. Ippo's biggest problems are being upset about not winning a fight, and later quitting boxing and being worried about punch-drunk syndrome, both of which are things Joe did too, but with more nuanced context and a less one-note character, and without spending hundreds of chapters at a time teasing and blueballing the audience on the story going anywhere and endlessly repeating the same handful of scenes that never lead anywhere.

If we're looking at the art, just because Ippo's art has more detailed rendering doesn't inherently make it better. Chiba Tetsuya's art is clean, efficient, panels are well-blocked and composed, very readable. Ippo's action is notorious for how unreadable it becomes as the manga goes on; it's hard to believe but it was more than a decade ago that people started meming on the french fries flying around the ring all the time.
And if we're talking about the anime adaptations, bPost too long. Click here to view the full text.



 No.3599[Reply]

does this count as a retro anime?
some friends over at discord told me that it didnt 😭
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 No.4080

>>4079
That episode with Sakura's grandfather really got me for some reason.

 No.4084

>>4080
Just watched that episode. When she was saying that his granddaughter must have been like her mother was really bittersweet. She's so pure and innocent.

 No.4091

Ancient memories of really liking Meiling have been awakened. Apparently a lot of people online really dislike her character, but I'm not sure how many of those people have only watched what I'm told is a very bad American version of the show and whether that has influenced their opinions.

 No.4092

>>4091
I didn't get the Meiling hate. Had a huge crush on her when I was a kid.

 No.4099

>>4092
Glad to hear it wasn't just me!



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 No.492[Reply]

Happy Mother's Day, /ar/

 No.493

>>492
He's having a mental breakdown

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 No.4006

>>494
Jonathan Glenn

 No.4089

>>4006
He’s from Brain Powerd…



 No.4085[Reply]

Finally a place people will understand my love for Magical Emi and Creamy mami💙💚💛

 No.4086

>>4085
Very nice! Glad we’re getting the right people for this site no

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 No.4088

I really need to continue watching the Pierrot magical girl series. I watched Creamy Mami but didn't feel like moving onto Persia right away. I had a hell of a time even finding every episode subbed.



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 No.4043[Reply]

I want to cum inside this elf
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 No.4064

>>4063
nope, deedorido is a beautiful woman

 No.4065

>>4063
99.99% super high chance that elf has a weiner

 No.4067

>>4064
Catgirls don't have weiners, just saying.

Better to be safe than sorry.

 No.4068

>>4063
>>4063
Nope, she is 100% pure blood elf

 No.4069

>>4068
Catgirls are 100% adorable, it's in their genetics.



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 No.4016[Reply]

I recently realized that I love Takahashi Rumiko's style.

I was raving about the new Urusei Yatsura's first OP to my friend, because even without knowing anything about the show you can just TELL how much care and love went into that sequence. I grew up on Inuyasha and I didn't realize until now that they're from the same creator - so now I wanna see what I'm missing out on.

My question to you based oldfrens is, do you think any of the remakes for Ranma or Urusei Yatsura worth watching over the originals?

Maybe this is the wrong place to ask, but if I'll find anyone who might have watched both, it's here. I want to give them the best chance I can without committing to both old and new versions.

 No.4037

>Do you think any of the remakes for Ranma or Urusei Yatsura worth watching over the originals?

Both can be enjoyed equally but don't let remake culture make you disregard the original completely.

 No.4042

originals have better openings, better insert songs, better endings, better synergy with the original manga, more memorable va performances and have better fan service. the new ones arent bad but feel kinda sterilized? still better than most modern anime though.



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 No.4038[Reply]

Post your favorite fight/action scenes here.


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 No.3814[Reply]

Hi..I have a interesing question i love old anime and i like because i think that older anime Is more i don't know..Alive.
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 No.3924

Also, there's a certain charm to how old anime solved problems like their utilization of limited animation. Though the more elaborate movie quality animation like Akira and Princess Mononoke is really impressive

 No.3925

Directors like Osamu Dezaki used smart directing and good storyboards to make the anime more engaging, and animators like yoshinori Kanada used the limited amount of frames to make his animation more energetic

 No.3955

>>3923
Depending on what you watch I can see this. Digital anime has led to a lot of laziness. But at the same time anime that used cels were a lot more limited in what they were able to do in terms of art style. You wouldn't get something like FLCL or Shaft stuff using cels. The digital workflow allows a lot more experimentation and variation in art style because they're not working with physical cels but instead layers on a computer that can be messed with more without any permanent, physical consequences.

There is merit in the idea that limitations breed creativity though.

 No.4033

I just like anime in general. Drawing lines in the sand like that never sat right with me.

 No.4034

>>3922
Also this kind of argument doesn't sit right with me either. You can very easily counterpick examples. Girls und Panzer references war films from around the world while Nadesico is entirely informed by Yamato and Getter Robo.



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 No.3826[Reply]

Hello wapchanners! On the 20th of October, Monday, at 21:00 UTC, I'm going to stream Slayers Excellent. For those of you who watched/read Hunter x Hunter, I welcome visitors on Sunday as well, same time. (we are currently watching Chimera Ant arc)
Thank you for your attention to this matter and see you at https://cytu.be/r/GreedIsland if you wish to participate!

 No.3832

This is like the second time you posted this. More details would be helpful.

 No.4022

The stream starts in 4 hours! If you're interested, come by:

https://cytu.be/r/GreedIsland

>>3832

Slayers Excellent is a 3-episode OVA, each of the episodes is 30 minutes long. Afterwards, we're also going to be watching Rubber's Lover, a cyberpunk horror film from 1996, directed by Shozin Fukui.

 No.4023

Hell Yeah Slayers!

 No.4026

age



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 No.4017[Reply]

Is there such a thing as anime reviewers with good taste these days?

Or could that only be found on niche anime forums?

 No.4018

Was there any at all?

 No.4024

Anyone who identifies as an "anime reviewer" should be permanently banned from ever having any opinions on anime ever again



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