/cel/ - Retro Anime & Manga

>>2805
Betterman.

>>2805

Betterman.

Lot of creepy imagery in the first half before the story picks up, good show for spooky season.

>>2799
lol this is almost borderline parody, is this the infamous “harlock and the queen of a thousand years” dub I’ve heard about?

>>2810
Friendly reminder that this takes place in the same universe as Gaogaigar

I was thinking about that after I saw that 90s OVA/movies thread here. There are trends according to the time period. The 80s were marked by sci-fi, futurism, cyberpunk, "badassery", hyperviolence, sexual explicitness, and it seems to me the mechanics were much more elaborated and detailed. Then on 90s there was a turn for a lighter tone, fantasy, romance/comedy, video game adaptations, precursors to isekai and harem, and philosophical/reflective narratives.

Now, this is just a vague hypothesis, but maybe the productions reflect the state of Japan's general consciousness. They had made remarkable and unthinkable progress since being a completely devasted shithole after war, so that "chuuni shit" might be the Japanese themselves figuratively going through their second year of junior high school. The advent of OVA just allowed for the content to go even wilder and more explicit. Then came the realization that they wouldn't just grow at the same rate forever, it was either stagnation or decline from there, and they either turned to rethinking deeply about their condition or retreating into comfort.

>>2776

Alot of that creative concept died when the self insert protagonist concept came along.
Having unlimited energy and psychic powers and cybernetic augmentations is cool and all but that isnt you and unfortunately never will be.

>>2778
It's not you, but it can be your power fantasy. What made people stop dreaming?

>>2778
The entire purpose of isekai is to imagine an ordinary figure, or perhaps even a lesser subject reborn under superior circumstances. The fact that no one wants to be reborn as a cyborg ninja shows a lack of discernment amongst modern otaku.

>>2795
But those are pretty harsh lives. Even outside the niches, is it better to be Kenshiro, live in a post-apocalypse hellscape and lose everything that was once precious to you, be Seiya, getting senseless beaten over and over again without even a hint of personal benefit, or be Naruto/Luffy, who mostly enjoy themselves traveling around with their friends with some mishaps along the way?

>>2618
I think it's because a lot of the cels you see on YouTube are fake, Yahoo Auction is probably legit, and when Heritage were selling cels, those were definitely legit, but fuck Heritage, all my homies hate Heritage.

>>2620

Fakery is just something i just expect to encounter in this, since it aint hard to fake cel art(backgrounds might be a bit harder).
Honestly i was more inclined to believe its multiple people putting up some stores stock as their own listing, basically selling someone elses offline inventory with or without their consent. I saw this alot with laserdiscs from japan.
Feedback is useless imo.

>>1135
Fun fact: The nipples are cropped out in the actual show. The cut was a loop so it featured a few times in the sequence.

Also, the two cels are a mismatched pair.

Checking out some of those old rubberslug cel galleries really makes you feel like all the good cels are already gotten long ago.
I picked this up awhile ago just so i can say i got something..

Not a collector myself, but I did (vaguely) recently get to see some on museum display

>>2693
Honestly, not really? It's like asking if Digimon ripped off Pokémon because they're similar in a few ways.

>1. Vaguely similar art style and aesthetics
Huh? They look nothing alike. Sure they're about boxing and have two little dudes in boxing shorts for most of the show but it's not like the artstyle is exactly the same. Joe is from 1968 and Ippo is 1989 there's 20 years of difference in the art there.

Joe is mainly about Joe with some snippets of Rikishi, Carlos, Yoko and Danpei and the many random boxers along the way.

Ippo is about a dozen boxers and side characters too (his mother, his friends, his potential relationships) with tons of arcs along the way. There's. Ippo himself, Takamura trying to win all six belts, Mashiba trying to achieve a better life for him and Kumi, Miyata trying to keep to the promise he gave Ippo and more. It's not *just* about Ippo. The latest chapter is about Mashiba right now.

>2. Young man from a disadvantaged background making his way up in the fight game (literally every boxing story at this point)
Joe and Ippo are different characters entirely. Joe is an orphan who pretty much ran away from the orphanage to be a vagrant and just happened to be noticed by Danpei and became a boxer through that (and only because of Rikishi being a perfect rival to him). Ippo was a meek kid who was somewhat bullied in school who then grew to love boxing after Takamura saved him from that bullying. He had a loving mother, a decent job and overall a good life. Joe comes from nothing but Ippo has something.

>3. Tragic end where the protagonist ends up punch drunk and is totally fucked over.
We don't know how Ippo ends and currently Ippo isn't punch drunk He's retired due to...well, I actually don't know. Takamura refers to him as being "broken" but he's not punch drunk like Joe seemed to be by the end as when Ippo was asked to draw a straight line (which iirc is some kind of test to prove if their motor functions are shot) he passed it. I just think something is going to happen to Ippo to get him back into the ring but no one really knows what. George is probably going to have something occur that will make him go back to boxiPost too long. Click here to view the full text.

All boxing stories follow a simmilar plot structure more or less. Its genre convention. Hajime no Ippo gets repetitive after a while but I've never felt that way about Ashita no Joe.

>George is probably going to have something occur that will make him go back to boxing again but what that is we don't know.
Wait... they are still publishing this series! Hang up the gloves already George!

>>2762
Yeah, well Joe didn't go on for 30 years....

>>2771
Yeah but Hajime no Ippo gets boring fast. Talking - fight scene - talking. Is pretty much the structure of that show. It feels like groundhog day except it never ends.

Considering Joe is THE boxing manga yea I would say he ripped it off or at least capitalized off its popularity. The other guy mentioned the different artstyles, but they don't mention the similarities. The muscle tone is clearly taken from Joe. It's like taking the Mcdonalds arch, turning it upside down, changing the color, and making a new burger chain. The details don't really matter, especially since Ippo is the crappier narrative, when it's obviously a ripoff, by that if it weren't for Joe it wouldn't exist.

>>924
Even with the story being weak it's really puts you in the world of the late 80s city scene, which really separates it from the Rumiko works it's so often compared to (even if the simplest way to describe it is "diet MI")

>>924
Is it true that it's just like a knockoff Maison Ikkoku?

>>2704
No, it's just another romcom from around the same time with lots of misunderstandings - the relationship dynamics are way different.

>>924
It's funny, when I was younger I was more interested in girls like Madoka, who are tough to get to know but can open up after a while. But nowadays I prefer girls like Hikaru who are a lot more overtly sweet. But I'm also straight up bad at reading girls a lot of the time and I'm worried I'll mess things up by asking too many questions.

The Dragon Ball of romcoms

>>679
When I first saw the ending of Texhnolyze (around 2005ish, I was still a young teenager), while the scene with Ran was unfolding I unconsciously dug my fingers into the skin of my other arm and drew blood. I was making the same facial expression of confusing and rage that Ichise was making and I started sweating and crying intensely. Then the scene that immediately followed afterwards with the insert song and I fucking bawled like a bitch.
I threw up later that evening too.

Not a single other anime or any other piece of media gave me such a visceral reaction, jesus christ. I haven't watched Texhnolyze since then and I don't want to watch it again.

>>682
Yeah I remember feeling this heavy hole that slowly drained everything. By then she really was the only part of that show left to hope for and when that was gone and the ending came I just felt empty. Powerful stuff, but it really gets the message of not putting your existence behind impermanent things across to the viewer.

Jinrou comes to mind for me ;_;

yeah this moment cemented Zeta gundam as one of my favourite anime.
listening to this is melancholic
https://youtu.be/oNYPryOqyGo

>>680
The problem with the endings mentioned here is that they all go rather abstract. Wolf's Rain has a sad last episode, but the last scene is that kind of open for interpretation, same thing with Zeta Gundam, at first it's "oh no", but then "wait, what?", and you only find out what happened in ZZ, and then there is Texhnolyze where you are made unsure about about what, or if anything, even happened, and I think the immediate intellectual demand breaks the emotional impact.

Now, this one had me upset for days.

>>2586
Maybe Kyubi no Kitsune to Tobimaru, a 1968 film that has no home video release and gets sporadic screenings in Japan. There are some lost 60s TV anime as well covered here.

https://cartoonresearch.com/index.php/lost-tv-anime/

>>2586

Never seen anybody mention Madura before.

Excluding crowdfunded independent animation that haven't been sold outside of limited releases in Japan, I guess some 40s-era shorts by Masaoka and Ofuji that never got digital transfers and only have low-res thumbnails on the Internet, not particularly obscure in terms of not being catalogued but I don't know anyone who's seen them.

>>2681

Do you have any examples of the crowdfunded stuff? That sounds really interesting.

>>2641
Thank you for the discovery, anon, I genuinely needed to see this.