No.306
It is both a big thing and a little thing.
It's a big thing because it is almost certainly not going to be contained, and it's gone pandemic, soon to be infecting the majority of humanity. Becoming a fifth kind of human endemic cold virus. It's not likely going to end the world unfortunately, but given its lethality it's probably going to be somewhat like Spanish flu, which killed tens of millions mostly because it infected tons of people, rather than because it was incredibly deadly.
You probably should stock up on stuff. Mostly because industrial society relies on super short supply chains, just in time production and has a very limited capacity to absorb even small perturbations. Chances are more governments will quarantine and lock down entire cities and towns in the early stages of infection in order to change the progress of the virus. Though containment is completely out of the question at this point, by restricting people's movement the rate of spread can be brought down, and the virus nudged to evolve less lethality.
The main thing you'd want to stock up on is food. A kg of basically any of the dried goods will meet your caloric needs for about a day to 2 days depending on activity. Buying some 25 or 50 kg bags of brown rice or your preferred food is probably a good idea.
For sanitizer, it's probably not that useful but I'd suggest buying bottles of bleach. It's cheaper, and works better than most of the disinfectants you might be able to get.
Cheap surgical masks are probably not too useful. If you are going to go for a mask, you'd probably be best going for one of those gas-masks that also protect the eyes, and then make sure the filter you are using is rated to handle water based aerosols.
Other than that I don't know what would be useful to have. It's going to be very hard to avoid infection in the long run. But the longer it takes for the virus to get to you the less the lethality is likely to be. It's not too lethal in the first place so you should probably be fine.
No.308
>>307>there won;t be a treat at all.there won't be a threat at all.
No.309
>>307>Once a cure is found(and it will be, this isn't actually a new Kind of Virus) Absolutely. Very soon this coronavirus will be cured and vaccinated against, just like the common cold.
No.310
>>307I think this is underestimating the virus. It's virulence is fairly high (r0 between 2 and 6, probably ~4.5 without drastic measures china has taken), and it's symptomatic properties (variable incubation, non-symptomatic carriers, variability in severity of symptoms) make it very hard to contain like other viruses such as ebola. Cases are already occurring where the source cannot be directly traced to known cases, suggesting it's already circulating within many countries with significant international traffic/trade.
Just to illustrate my point here's a back of the envelope estimation. Based on Chinese data, the doubling time of the disease is ~7 days, assuming that if a vaccine takes 4 months from this moment to develop and test (this would be almost unthinkably fast) the infected population could have doubled ~24 times. Assuming the initial infected and transmitting population is a modest 1000 individuals distributed throughout the world, that would still be enough doublings to infect every human on earth in ideal infectious circumstances. Now chances are such ideal circumstances do not exist, but given the nature of the disease, and the profile of transmission so far, it seems unlikely that any major connected country is going to avoid having the virus circulating before vaccines or other prophylactic measures are ready.
You are correct that it's likely going to end up as just another kind of cold, and that the lethality even now isn't that high (only ~10 times that of common strains of influenza) but things can get quite hairy before things normalize again. I think if you can afford to, you probably should prepare for disruptions in daily life. Food in case it reaches your area and the government decides to lock things down seems like a good idea to me at least.
No.312
>>305A family friend works in a hospital and says nobody there is seemingly bothered by it and that SARS was a bigger worry than what coronavirus is now. It seems to be the media trying to cause hysteria and panic to further control how the masses think. Personally I don't think it's that much to worry about, but I am by no means an expert on pathogens.
There's an interesting theory that it was a bioweapon aimed at China, and it certainly has crippled the strongest part of the Chinese state, which is the economy. I instead hope that the virus evolved naturally as it is humanity's fault for fucking around with things we should never have had control of. A sort of stark warning for what lies ahead.
>>306That's some good advice but I doubt it will ever come to that stage.
No.345
Posting from Spain and the country seems to start going to shit from today. We are already having 1000 new infected everyday so this is going to be like Italy in one week and we are not prepared for shit. It wouldn't even bother me that much but I have to keep working and risking infection. If at least I could have been watching the apocalypse from my window while neeting, but no.
No.346
>>345Hang in there mage. After the coronavirus apocalypse NEETs, shut-ins, and hikikomoris will rule the Earth.
No.347
>>346Not if our family infects us. And that's my biggest fear. I have prepared but I'm afraid it's worthless. People living with me don't want to self quarantine so I will die soon. Never trust normalfags. They don't deserve anything. They are the reason why we will die. They can't stay home a few weeks. If I survive I will start working hard for my own independence. I regret letting normalfags control my life. I don't believe in any particular God but may any force of the Universe help us because this is the end of times.
No.348
>>347>They can't stay home a few weeks.I can see this today. The government decreed confinement yesterday, today everyone is in the streets not giving a fuck. I can see old people and kids outside like any other day. They are closing the parks but people just ignore any prohibition. It's useless, you literally need the police and the army in the streets detaining people or even with their lives in danger they don't care about absolutely anything.
At this point, what people need is panic. They need to fear, they need someone to tell them they are going to die and their families will die if they don't stop acting like retards.
No.350
>>348I work at a grocery store in America and it's been pretty insane. At least I've been getting more hours because of it. The toilet paper panic buying was something I didn't expect at all, I figured it'd be mostly canned food but people have been too retarded to buy things that'll last a long time, they keep getting ground meat and shit like that whicfh will be worthless in a few months. Hopefully this rush will subside as people start to isolate themselves, I assume that's their plan for the most part. The thing that worries me is that a lot of people getting loads of groceries were old fucks, and while I'm not exactly going to miss them, it is annoying that they're purposefully putting themselves in danger. Don't these guys have some estranged sons that they can beg for help? It feels almost morally wrong to allow people older than 60 or so into the store.
My grandmother insists on going out because she's senile and because my uncle doesn't think that the situation is a big deal so he's been letting her go even though she's pretty much guaranteed to die if she gets it. My mother is listening to me and is staying inside even though she isn't really taking it seriously, and I've seen several neighbors outside taking walks for fuck's sake. At the very least I can take solace in the fact that if any of us got it the chances of us dying are pretty slim, since I assume that none of us are older than 40 and we don't have any huge medical problems (that I know of anyways). Hopefully the thing doesn't mutate into something more dangerous to younger people, it'd be great if all this did was kill off a good chunk of baby boomers and then fizzle out.
||I've heard that they're also considering implementing a UBI because of the coronavirus, which sounds great to me.||
No.351
>>350>It feels almost morally wrong to allow people older than 60 or so into the store.Don't know how is it in the US but here old people are mostly entitled fucks. If they are told to stay home they go outside because no one has the right to tell them what to do and they know better than anyone. I mostly see old people or really young people in the streets. Thanks God my mother (quite old) and father are smart and saw the danger quite soon.
Today I had to go outside but it will be the last time in, maybe, a month. I will work from home and live like a hikki. This totally feels like something I must have imagined multiple times, the apocalypse comes and I can stay forever at home playing videogames and watching anime. Besides people being stupid and all the economical and social disaster we will suffer in the next months, it's almost a comfy situation to be in.
No.352
>>347I'm the opposite to be honest. I couldn't care less about this but my family is worried about it. I still make sure to regularly wash my hands and maintain a high standard of cleanliness though, so at least they don't have reason to complain at me.
>>350>people have been too retarded to buy things that'll last a long timeAs soon as people heard of panic buying it created this feedback loop where the more people hear of panic buying, the more panic buying that ensues. And as you pointed out people are buying short-term - perishable stuff like trollies full of milk. I think with such an event not happening it recent living memory many people aren't so aware of how to act. Especially in richer countries where healthcare infrastructure is decent enough that getting sick isn't anything to worry about.
>>351>economical and social disaster we will suffer in the next monthsThe world economy is going to take a bad hit after this and will take a while to recover. Hope the old /tower/ BO hasn't lost much from all of this.
No.372
>>369Where I live is currently experiencing that limbo between normality and exception. I mean to say like when the Pilot has already instructed us passengers to brace for impact, and we are tightly adhered to our seats with quiet expectation, wondering if it will even come.
So far the only truly direct modifications of life are the measures taken by the government on the basis of its emergency powers, over matters such as social subsidies, transportation and credit management, which naturally concern most people.
No.379
>>369>Were I live you can't even go outside with a good reason to convince the police, it seemed impossible just some weeks ago but the country almost stopped completely. Same where I live (or at least in theory). Hasn't stopped people treating it like an early summer holiday and everyone is outside enjoying the weather, despite local cases of the virus.
>>372If I had to use this analogy, I'd say where I live has already been told to brace for impact and we're nosediving, awaiting the almost inevitable crash.
>social subsidies, transportation and credit management, which naturally concern most people.This makes me wonder what the global economy will be like after this is over, especially as non-essential industries are closing for a short period, going bust, or grinding to a halt. Can't say I'm optimistic about what awaits us.
No.386
>>379>Hasn't stopped people treating it like an early summer holiday and everyone is outside enjoying the weatherIt started the same here but you can't imagine how fast things can change.
In one week we went from normal to a real feeling that the end of the world could have started. It doesn't help to live in a country were the spreading and casualties are being one of the highest in the world.
No.404
The situation in my country escalated quickly. One day the government of my country said there's nothing to worry about, but a few days later they started to take all kinds of measures against the new virus. That was months ago. Now we can't leave our homes without wearing a medical mask, there's a curfew at 2 o'clock and we can't leave our cities/towns under any circumstances. Some say that the government took these measures because they know that our healthcare system is not prepared for this virus, while others say they are doing this to cover up the scarcity of fuel in the country. To be honest, my main problem with all this is that I'm running out of my medication and it looks like we are stuck here for a long time.
By the way, I recently found this video about how the COVID-19 is changing our society.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1JLBXfKDbbIIt's a little over-the-top, but I think there are a few interesting things in the video.
No.407
>>305I've been slowly stockpiling over the past few months, knowing that coronavirus was being massively underplayed by the msm. Still I'm limited to how much I can carry because I don't have a car. I went grocery shopping twice this week because I noticed I was missing a bunch of things and it felt like I was gambling with my life going to the grocery store.
I have an n95 and a respirator but I'm still using the n95 because I'm too self-conscious to wear the respirator in public right now. Maybe when things get worse I will.
No.409
>>407Just wear whatever you have, in a matter of days everyone will see it as normal. I live in a country were mask faces were considered an asian rarity (they consider asians weird and sick because they aren't touching and kissing each other all the time) just some month ago. Now more than half of the people you can see in the street is wearing one.
No.413
>>409I've been wearing my lone n95 for about a month now. I've been disinfecting it with a UV light but even then I'm sure the thing is starting to wear out and I can't find any place that still sells them.
I just know normies will laugh at me if I go out with my reusable respirator while the number of cases in my city are relatively low.
No.414
>>413They will not laugh when they will be agonizing in the streets, then you will laugh at them.
No.438
Right in the epicentre of a pandemic and still plenty of people not wearing masks, with only one guy actually prepared with a reusable respirator. Are some normies that vain that they can't bring themselves to wear a mask in public no matter what?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rYTNO_WtNys No.439
>>438> Are some normies that vain that they can't bring themselves to wear a mask in public no matter what?Yes. With thousands of deaths and more to come I can still hear them saying it's just a flu and how they really need to go outside because their social life or dumb shit like running.
No.440
>>439I don't get how people can be so oblivious, if I was in Jew York I would be wearing a protective suit like Bruce Willis in 12 Monkeys.
The social distancing thing is a normie cope, 3d models have shown that a cough spreads the virus in a massive hovering cloud. If you're not wearing a mask while in a subway car and someone with coronavirus coughs anywhere near you you're probably going to get a massive viral load.
No.469
I have read several times that the death rate from other causes dropped significantly in several places with strict shut-in laws. Notwithstanding the arguments about whether it makes up for the coronavirus deaths, I think this shows the general superiority of the neet/hikki lifestyle for maintaining good health and reducing the risk of infection and misadventure. Not working means less stress, probably more and better sleep, less air pollution, eating better quality home-cooked food, more time to go for a walk in the sun/fresh air, less overall hurry and rage-inducing interactions with others, lower blood pressure, more time to do interesting things, etc. It really strikes me that the arguments in favour of making people stay at home to save lives apply much more generally than just to this virus. Minimising unnecessary labour should be a priority to improve public health.
No.470
>>469Not only the NEET lifestyle but nordic or asian countries also have it better than mediterranean countries since they don't spend the day outside touching each other. That's one of the reason why Italy, France or Spain are completely fucked (and I know UK and US also are, but still).
At the end doing all those "inhuman" or "cold" things like respecting the personal space of others or wearing facemasks have been proven to be the right thing.
If things went well and we all could have a basic income this could be the Hikki/NEET century, sadly I'm afraid things will be awful in most countries.
No.471
>>469but what about muh gdp!?
No.475
>>469Hopefully this will lead to good things. I know that my mother has found that her coworkers that are now forced to work from home are enjoying it, despite having said for years that they'd never want to because they couldn't imagine life without constant interaction.
>>470>basic incomeI think it's funny how my father was pretty adamantly opposed to this idea despite needing the money, but now that Trump is the one handing out NEETbux he's perfectly fine with it. Personally I haven't done enough research to know if it would help or harm people in the long run but it seems to me that to run a country as big as most first world countries, especially America, it might be necessary. Especially now that not only are jobs getting automated away, but they're also a major health risk. Either most people stop working or a good chunk of our population needs to die.
>>471Get back to work wagie! Don't make me get out the whip!
No.476
>>475>most people stop working or a good chunk of our population needs to dieHighly doubt the work stop thing is going to happen. For guys like us we can easily adapt to this lifestyle, I actually kind of enjoy wearing masks in public. I could easily take a couple of months off and just relax at home.
But normies are starting to freak out after a couple of weeks of lockdown. Most of them have no savings and derive their identities from the work they do.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kTh9UnltFs8 No.481
I'm about to the point where I'm done caring about the coronavirus. It's been a couple of weeks and there was hardly any deaths in my city, what a let down.
No.595
>>589I don't know what country you're in but here in Canada the situation is reverse. I see a lot of normies virtue signalling about how much they care about the virus and want the lock down to go on meanwhile the coronavirus has killed next to no people in my province and the backlog on elective surgeries grows and grows.
No.597
>>595Canada must be one of the western countries with a most different culture than mine, I'm afraid.
I'm still hearing the "it's just a flu" in a daily basis, all this while weeks ago it was already needed to burn corpses 24h non-stop because they were starting to accumulate.
No.599
>>597>most different cultureWe don't really have a coherent culture, I usually just think of my country as a whore.
>burn corpses 24h non-stopBurning masses of plague bodies, so surreal. It seems like certain places are overhyping the coronavirus like where I live and Australia, whereas places like where you are things are getting very real.
No.600
>>599Not that anon but things are getting quite real in the country I live in too. A family friend has a brother with a large refrigerated trailer and he was hired by a morgue to store bodies in it because they're so overloaded. In the news there's been images of massive marquis in America that are just makeshift morgues. Honestly, back in December when coronavirus was contained in China I would never have seen this coming.
No.607
>>600>large refrigerated trailerwell at least the bodies are staying cold and not stinking up the neighbourhood
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AfJxgXe-tXk No.612
I lost some weight recently. I hope this keeps up.
No.681
Brazil is apparently going to shit because of the President refusing to acknowledge the threat of the virus. Hope Brazilian Mecha anon is hanging in there.
No.685
>>612Haha, that day was the lowpoint. What a failure.
No.704
>>681>Brazil is apparently going to shit because of the President refusing to acknowledge the threat of the virusFrom what I remember, Mexico is going through the same thing.
>Hope Brazilian Mecha anon is hanging in there.I hope he's doing well, too. I'm not into mecha stuff (yet), but I can't deny he helped Magicchan a lot with his posts.
No.709
>>704I wasn't into mecha more than into any other anime genre, but since I got into his threads I started to get more into it until it became one of my primary hobbies. That's why I will always remember him, everytime I watch a new series or I build a model kit. It's also a shame he's gone because I would love to talk with him now that I'm into it since I could never contribute too much to the threads.
No.713
>>712That was his last post? It makes me feel so bad.
I wish I could have talked more to him, maybe helped him somehow.
No.716
>>712>i got hit by it and died, okayHopefully it was a clean shot through the head. RIP Brazilian mage
No.1071
Came across this
https://sciencesources.eurekalert.org/pub_releases/2020-10/uoz-eti101520.php> Early trauma influences metabolism across generations Stress/trauma at a young age gives you a defective metabolism that lasts all your life, and if your parents were stressed out then you inherit their defective metabolism even if nothing bad happens to you directly.
Your blood even becomes so toxic that it if it's administered to other animals it poisons their offspring:
>when the serum of traumatized males was chronically injected into non-traumatized males, their offspring also developed metabolic symptoms of traumaJust goes to show that everything was totally fucked from the beginning.
No.1072
>>1071The beginning was the end.
We were fucked since our primate ancestors engaged into cannibalism and lost their telephatic abilities.
No.1074
>>1072>primate ancestors engaged into cannibalism and lost their telephatic abilitiesI'm interested to hear more about this
No.1078
>>1076>evolved brain-eater apesSo once upon a time in the jungle somewhere an ape for whatever reason decided to munch down another apes brain and the human species slowly began to form from that act. Interesting theory on human evolution that I've never heard before.
>trepanationNot sure about the psychic powers but the trepanation would probably help with the insanity. Much like a lobotomy it would turn you into a nice calm vegetable.
No.1128
Jesus christ im so fucking sick i can barely move. My entire body hurts, especially my chest. I feel like i have a fever but i dont. I don't know if its this stupid virus or what, but i live with my grandma and she is fine...
No.1129
>>1128Since you didn't mention any breathing problems it probably isn't, but I'm not a doctor. Either way I hope you get better soon anon, being sick sucks.
No.1138
>>1129Guess he has succumbed to it since he hasn't replied for a week. RIP anonymous mage who was too sick to move.
No.1140
>>1138That would be really sad. I hope he's okay, wherever he is.
No.1203
>>1195I'm on the week with 3 minute runs and it feels like I'm dying for three minutes instead of just for a minute or a minute and a half.
No.1210
>>1195>>1203ＧＡＮＢＡＴＴＥ ！I just lift things and carry things up/down stairs, not following any plan. I should do it more often, but I guess doing it occasionally is better than never.
No.1213
>>1210Thanks for the encouragement. It still feels so bad doing it, the whole time it feels physically awful and I can't stop thinking "I hate myself", "why am I even doing this", "if I can do it now why couldn't I do ___ years ago", etc.
I have been doing pushups too, following the 100pushups.com site (which says to do a submaximal effort several times a day). I think it has improved my posture a bit.
Take care on the stairs!
No.1215
>>1213That's tough. I try to use the "I hate myself" as reason for the "why am I even doing this", but that doesn't often motivate me to start anything. Luckily, whenever I do start lifting and carrying my mind is empty other than counting. If I was running I would be plagued by demotivating thoughts too, because it's a more automatic process it allows the mind to wander. What if you change from timing to counting? Count the landing of whichever foot you prefer, counting for each would be overwhelming. Do some 30 second sessions to get a base number and multiply that to get the count equivalent of the time you're currently on. As you progress you can do some 30 second sessions again to see if you need to increase the base number.
The "why couldn't I do ___ years ago" gets worse with each year and still holds me back. I could've reached my skill ceiling in a variety of subjects, maybe found something to be good at. Instead, almost every day since 2003 was wasted laying in bed, consuming garbage from the television and the web.
No.1225
>>1215>The "why couldn't I do ___ years ago"This lasts until you are 5 minutes into the thing and then you remember why you never do shit.
No.1228
>>1225This time is different!!
No.1229
>>1228Lol, turns out it's not different at all. When I did the running session yesterday it felt alright, some funny pains in my thigh but nothing too bad. Then when I got home my ankle was hurting. Don't remember twisting it or anything like that. It hurts just as much today, plus I woke up with some digestive upset and feeling freezing cold (I thought it was because of leaving the window open but I can't get fully warm even after closing it and putting on more clothes).
Crazy that 5 weeks of exercise is all my body can tolerate without injuring itself. It's like clockwork.
No.1231
>>1229After a night's sleep it's easy to think "don't feel too bad", only to discover at the end of the next session that you pushed yourself too hard. After you recover, try again but with longer periods of rest. Maybe 3 weeks of exercise and 1 week of rest, whatever feels right. You could even try racewalking instead of running. There's no shame in adjusting the plans, especially when considering you're doing pushups too. Late last year I pulled a muscle and did nothing for a few months. After my recent exercise I feel fully recovered, except my left wrist and elbow (probably hampered by carpal tunnel syndrome). I'll see if it feels better on Sunday, if not, I'll wait another week. Better than pushing too hard and either doing nothing for a few months or giving up entirely.
No.1232
>>1231Well, I figured that since pushups are upper body they wouldn't interfere too much, but that was probably not the case. Have to remind myself that I'm a decrepit ageing man not some 20yo chad (which I never was anyway).
Turns out I am legitimately sick, I spent most of yesterday sleeping, then all night running to the toilet. My body temperature went up to 40ºC yesterday but this morning it has come down a bit.
No.1233
>>1232When your muscles feel okay, you're liable to not pay much mind to your cardiovascular system, which you're stressing during both exercises.
I'll probably wait till March to exercise again, just to be safe.
No.1235
>>1234Lifting weights is so depressing. Tried over and over and always manage to get injured before gaining any muscle when I try that. It just feels so bad now, struggling with the same beginner weights as a dozen times before knowing that in a few weeks something will get injured and it will all be gone. Can hardly gain any muscle anyway and my ceiling for strength gains is very low.
No.1237
>>1235Sorry to have brought it up if it's brings such bad memories for you mage. Though if you ever do try again, I'd suggest doing only bodyweight and stability stuff for the first year or so, without any weights much more than 20kg dumbells. That's what I did for my first year anyway since I hadn't done any physical activity in a decade.
No.1240
>>1237I didn't mean to take out my frustration on you, it just feels really frustrating to have such a useless body that I can't do anything with it. Even going walking I get hip pain, etc. If I had fucked up a videogame character this badly I would have restarted the game ages ago.
No.1241
>>1240>I didn't mean to take out my frustration on you,Don't worry, I didn't feel like you were at all. I only felt bad that instead of making a positive impact my post just stirred up such bad feelings for you. I'm awful sorry that physical stuff is so hard and painful.
No.1242
>>1241I'm really jealous, more than anything.
No.1243
>>1240This is how I exactly feel, but not about my body but about my brain. It's not like my body is any better, but I just have given up on it ages ago and I barely use it so I don't care too much. But I know perfectly that kind of frustration you get when you want to do something and you can't because the raw materials don't have the minimum quality.
Sadly I don't think there's anything that can solve that so from time to time we just have to deal with the old feelings and depression.
No.1251
>>1243I feel that way about my brain, too, but maybe I already gave up on it more than my body. I think anxiety makes me not use it much, just thinking about doing things that require a lot of mental energy makes me nervous. Have trouble concentrating on anything, too. Like you say, the raw materials just don't have the minimum quality.
No.1450
Fuck I've been dizzy af for almost a week, I really don't want to go to the doctor.
No.1451
>>1450I hope it's nothing serious. Have you been getting enough fluids, salt, and food lately? It could be something as simple as that, if you're lucky.
No.1452
>>1450How are you doing mage? Has everything returned to normal? I'd second what
>>1451 said.
No.1454
>>1451Yeah I drink and eat enough.
>>1452The dizziness stopped but now it just hurts. I think the only time I had this kind of headache was during/after flying. I was thinking it might be blood pressure related. I could barely sleep anything yesterday it was so bad. I'm not sure if I should go to the hospital now or wait until tomorrow to see my doctor.
No.1455
>>1454I hope you get well soon!
No.2318
My heart has been missing beats lately. Got real light headed during one or two and thought that was it. Wasn't though (obviously). Don't know if it means anything, but I always figured I'd die around this age, one way or another.
No.2550
>>2519I've wanted to have the wherewithal to join Overeaters Anonymous for a while now.
No.2554
>>2550If you're not too neurotic about it, as in, you could see yourself making a warm first-impression, I'd say go for it! I went to a support group for people with my disorder and it was honestly one of the few times in my entire life I felt understood in a genuine capacity. The feeling when you're finally speaking to someone on your wavelength is indescribable, It's not like dealing with sheltered therapists who only READ about whatever you have been through. Unfortunately, it too much of a long drive and it's at the heart of an awful capital city, so I haven't returned. I will probably look for a closer group now that you've reminded me...
