I have mixed feelings about this whole thing. It's true that new technologies are promising us many excited things and the world's poverty rate has fallen substantially over the last years, but I also think humanity has become self-obsessed. Just look at how aggressive and ridiculous political discussions are now, or how many companies and governments are invading our privacy. In a way, we're live in a very promising world that is destined to fail.
>Personally I'd just be happy if we got WWIII so not only do I get an easy way out, but my name ends up on a wall somewhere
At a certain point of my life, I wanted something similar since it seemed to be the only way to change the situation in my country. However, most governments would think twice before starting a war of those characteristics. After all, most countries are economically dependent upon each other. That doesn't mean that some of them are constantly working on military technologies and new ways of invading our privacy. It's seems we are in a new cold war.
I'm sorry if my reply is a bit of a mess. English isn't my first language and I'm feeling a little ill right now.

>>194
Ultimately it depends on what you're talking about getting better or worse.
>Society
Already divided and I can't see it fixing itself now, especially with the new generation of children raised not by their parents but by technology itself. The worst part is that these children aren't technologically literate - they don't know how technology works or how dangerous it can be; the only technology they use are smartphone apps and other technological services that don't require technological proficiency to use. The generations are getting more and more progressively distant from each other and all the while populations are increasing. In terms of society as a whole, I've always thought that the mouse utopia experiment is somewhat telling of what lies ahead.
>Technology
I genuinely believe that technology will greatly advance this decade, considering the leaps and bounds it had taken the previous decade. I don't think this change will be for the better at all though, technology has long since evolved beyond a practical use.
>The internet
Bigger push from big corporations and governments to 'clean up' the internet and essentially making the internet more accessible. By the end of the 2020s the wild west feel of the early internet will be long forgotten. Remnants of the older eras will slowly die and collapse (including imageboards) before being swept under the rug.
>Us
I hope the last of the anons can be found and we can decide what to do moving forward. The old /tower/ BO can't be found and nobody knows how far along he was with the new IB. Truth be told, I can't imagine what it would be like in a decade for us. Can you? I've always thought we would the one and only generation of users and it would die with us.
>Personally I'd just be happy if we got WWIII so not only do I get an easy way out, but my name ends up on a wall somewhere.
Funnily enough I was thinking about this the other day, though if such a situation ever happened where countries began conscripting and I was called forward I'd leave and try to survive out in the wilderness. I don't see the point in fighting for normals' ideals and laying down my life just so they can continue going on. Call it selfish but I want to live and die for my own purpose.

>>195
>It's seems we are in a new cold war
I don't think it ever ended to be honest. But yes you are right in that WWIII is highly unlikely. Modern war is fought by corporations and not by soldiers.
>I'm sorry if my reply is a bit of a mess. English isn't my first language and I'm feeling a little ill right now.
No need to apologise friend, your reply is fine

>>196
>Already divided and I can't see it fixing itself now, especially with the new generation of children raised not by their parents but by technology itself
I've noticed that in many modern families. Even my big brother's children spend more time with their smartphones and tablets than they do with their parents. However, I can't help but feel like a hypocrite when I talk about this topic, since I usually don't enjoy spending time with my nephews --I've never liked being around kids, to be honest.
>Remnants of the older eras will slowly die and collapse (including imageboards) before being swept under the rug
I've been thinking about that since 8chan was taken down. So far, I've found two imageboards comprised of many bunker boards, which makes me think that there's still interest in these kinds of pages. Unfortunately, none of those communities are what they used to be. Maybe you're right and imageboards are a dying medium.
>Modern war is fought by corporations and not by soldiers.
I couldn't have said it better myself. It's a pretty sad situation.

I see things getting worse, as that has been the pattern. The only thing that noticeably affects me is the decline of the internet, but the silver lining is more incentive to do something constructive with my time. There will always be minor conflicts, but is a world war possible at this stage of globalization? Is it profitable enough to justify? I don't think so. You could call globalization the third and final world war.

>>203
I wouldn't say it's hypocritical, but I understand not mentioning it because they aren't your responsibility and it's the "normal" method of parenting today. Although you don't like spending time with them, you can still rightfully recognize that it's setting them up for social difficulties, but maybe that's okay because their peers will be in the same boat.

It's funny how we were theorizing about the possibilities of a third world war just a few days ago, and now there's a conflict between EE. UU and Iran.

I personally think a lot of adapting is going to be needed to even mentally survive moving forward. We're going to have to truly decide here and now on what we want to do and who we want to be for starters. Not all of us, but a lot of us already have taken proper measures in place to avoid problems with phones, social media, and other tactics that's plagued the rest of society. That's a big first step. We're ahead of countless others in that regard. I feel as if each passing year will be almost or just about equivalent to a decade of the past. What I mean by that is through advancements in S.T.E.M., society, politics, and the way that general life is perceived. It's going to be very weird very fast and it's going to be a strange future from what we're accustomed to. Especially those of us who are now in our 30s and can very vividly remember life before any of this. Those of you who were mentioning World War III, I don't want to say it's impossible because that's just simply not true. But a societal collaspe on a smaller scale is more possible. Dystopian strangeness, cyberpunk likeness, and a much wider gap between the classes. That's to be expected almost certainly. I wouldn't be surprised if things start on the path of ending up like "the hunger games". Where the elites sit back and use the population as entertainment having them fight for resources. Think about the rainforests burning up, Australia, and everywhere else that's had major fires just here recently. Imagine what kind of impact that's going to have on the global ecosystem. Which they'll in return spin it with pushing harder on climate control for those very reasons when in reality the elites, corporations, and political puppets are the ones who put us in this situation just to further their control over the population through oppression. Now that's how I feel about the future on a global scale. But I feel as if there's small pockets of hope in terms of how we live our personal lives that's where we may be able to have a better decade than the 2010s. We may also be able to strengthen connections with those that we might be able to currently in our lives or form new bonds with others we meet through various means. Perception is gonig to play a vital key from here on out. Some people have family they can rely on while others just simply don't. They'll have to form bonds or find their own family elsewhere regardless of blood or not. I know a lot of us have extreme difficulties with socializing with people in real life, myself especially. I haven't had friends in years nor do I have any family that I can be connected with as we're all extremely distant with one another. The family unit especially here in the USA is completely broken in a large aspect. A lot of you other anons in this thread have very valid points. Such as parents not properly raising their children, internet censorship to monopolizations of major corporations, globalization, and even the downfall of civilization of it all. Everything is a damn mess. This won't be an easy future to live in. It's going to take a very strong willed mind with mental hacks, mental strengthening tactics, and a crazy adaption to strategy.

Not even half way into this year and everything seems to be going to shit, both real life and online. I get the feel we're at a turning point - for better or worse I don't know - and that in years to come people will look back to this time. Although if this decade will bring one thing I think it will be the end of traditional imageboards - 4chan will be up but have features more akin to social media; only the more obscure, half-dead imageboards centred around one particular niche will be most likely to survive.

>>234
>But a societal collaspe on a smaller scale is more possible.

And it's just happening, three months later!

>>601

I've been feeling like that the whole decade, but now it has accelerated dramatically.
Before it was like "something really bad will happen in the future", now it's "it's already happening but worse will come".
I also feel like this are the last years of my life. I guess that's how old people feel.
It's something that mixes melancholy, some indefined regreet, fake nostalgia and in the good days caring less about all. Also brain malfunctioning, of course.

>>601
>everything seems to be going to shit

Everything was already shit for me, so now that society is collapsing I sort of feel equal to everyone else. It's a very strange felling.

>>613
More than equal, I feel a lot happier. Everyone is losing their minds when I'm comfortable at home enjoying my time.
What for them is hell for me is heaven.
It really makes you see how different one can be from the rest of society.

>>614
It's like people spent all this time building their status up, nice jobs, nice cars, an active sex life and coronachan sent it all crashing down. All the sudden they're losing their jobs, they can't pay bills, they can't even go on dates. Their lives are completely altered whereas for me the only difference is I have to eat fast food outside, which is only a slight annoyance.

What I'm really scared now is about the economical situation and inflation.
My savings are my life, my HP, my freedom.
Without them I'm in the verge of dying every month. I have built my life based in independence and the capacity to sustain myself for at least 2 years or more. And it have costed me an enormous effort too. Without savings it means I could be in the streets in a matter of a few months or I could need to deal with people, "ask for help", humiliate myself. And I'm not doing that ever again.

>>673
I've been in a situation where for a couple of months I was only working part time and not earning enough to cover my bills. So long as your not clueless with your spending you'll get through it.

Remember that dollar stores are a great place to buy everything you need for cheap. You could probably live on $20 a week with the groceries you buy there.

>>675
I live with 40€ a month in food and groceries and I could live with less, that's not the problem. But I have to pay for bills and to have a place to live. Problem with having no savings is if something happens, I could lose my income and I'm inmediately fucked. Here losing your job means you can spend years without finding another one.
If today I'm alive and writing here is because I had savings and I could sustain myself for a certain time without income, without that I would be dead, literally.

>>678
>spend years without finding another one

Yikes! I'd probably be a homeless person if I lived in your country.

Anyone else watching the rioting going on? I've been glued to my computer the last couple of days, sipping beer and watching livestreams of all the chaos taking place. A police station was ransacked and now the CNN headquarters got attack. I wonder what's going to happen next?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xvIKgk-btUg

>>686
Isn't the kind of shit that regularly happens every 3-4 years in the states? It feels like a deja vu.

>>687
No, this one seems to be a lot bigger. Not as violent as LA 1992 but more widespread. The lockdown probably got peoples aggression levels up.

>>688
I get there can be a difference in scale, but still, do you think it's anything else than poor people venting and looting for some days? All those exhibitions of wrath usually end in nothing, they are a symptom, that's for sure, but there's nothing left after them.
What the french were doing, for example, could have been something else, maybe.
I'm always talking out my ass though, since I'm not there. It's mostly a racial thing? or a class thing? I think I have seen white people involded too, but I'm not sure.

>>689
>do you think it's anything else

Yes, the slow collapse of America. It's like watching the fall of Rome.

>It's mostly a racial thing? or a class thing?

Race, but as you may know race and class intertwines. It's mostly joggers rioting with some sell-out and opportunistic whites in the mix (lots of antifa).

>>690
>the slow collapse of America

When I heard this kind of ideas it makes me smile. As an european the colapse of our continent is not an abstraction, something future or even something in process, it almost feel like it's already in it's final stages. You're still the first economical and militar power in the world, after all. And I still see the US as the place I would like to live (the good part of the US, not the shitty one).
Even when americans just act stupidly I see in them some naivety and hope for the future I haven't seen here for decades. They don't even care about the virus, it's always "so much fuss about it", "government overreacting". You could say it's dumb but they have the energy to keep going. Here is like some sort of general spirit of "the last days", people only care about barely surviving themselves and the most fucked up the situation is the most they stick with the system because we are completely convinced there's no alternative and we're more afraid of things that don't really exist. This is probably a biased and wrong view though, just how I feel sometimes.

>>691
>the colapse of our continent

I'm european and I've no idea what are you talking about. What does it even mean collapse? Are you sure you're not reading too much /pol/?

Non-whites are far away from taking over anything white owned.

>>690
>the slow collapse of America
I wish we'd just get this whole race war shit over with. It's so tiring to see bullshit peaceful protests everywhere and nothing productive either way. These riots are a step in the right direction if they last. It's going to happen eventually, but all this dicking around does no one any good. Maybe we can get that shit started this decade if we're lucky.
>>691
>>692
I'm always out of the loop in this shit even though I actually live in America. Do Europeans actually pay this much attention to American news or is it just about paying attention to happenings regardless of location? I feel like a stranger in my own country a lot of the time although I'd probably feel that way anywhere.

>>692
I wasn't talking about races at all and I don't wish to have anything to do with /pol/, it repulses me.
I was thinking about the end of the EU, mass social conflict in France, the disastrous economy of the countries of the south, lack of any cohesive or independent policy, unequality, unemployment, mass immigration (without jobs), population ageing and I could go on and on.
So the end of Europe as any sort of relevant power in the world, if it ever was.
Since 2009 I haven't seen too much hope anywhere, just fear for the future and no alternatives, just repeating the same again and again. From years ago it doesn't feel like a crisis, it feels like a long agony of a dying body, and I think we're close to the end.

>>693
I think we pay more attention to the US than to any other country in the world but our own. That doesn't mean the information is good though, here in my country is mostly a 95% of "trump bad & stupid" and a 5% of "some americans stupid and violent".

>>693
>>694
I was talking about Europe not America. I don't like politics nor I follow them but I like to think I have a general idea of the geopolitical situation at the moment.

>>692
>not reading too much /pol/?

If you don't think that America is slowly collapsing you're living in la la land. One black ex-con porn star dies potentially from excessive force and all the sudden major cities are burning down. It's like there's fuel everywhere and all someone has to do is light a match.

>far away from taking over anything white owned

That's happening in South Africa. In America blacks are burning down things that whites own.

>>697
>One black ex-con porn star dies potentially from excessive force and all the sudden major cities are burning down.

Never heard of divide and conquer? People fighting each other is a good thing for the ones who have to govern them.

>That's happening in South Africa. In America blacks are burning down things that whites own.

I was talking in general like owning business that are able to compete with white business and kicking them out of competition like a black owned Apple, Google, Samsung, Tesla or other big companies. If that ever happen then you can talk about whites being fucked but until then we still have the upperhand in every situation. The only group of people capable of doing so are asians and namely the Chinese.

You have to understand that everything in this world revolves around money. If you see something happen (riots, protest about environment, ecc..) there's someone (probably white/jew) getting money off of it. It's always been like and it always be like this.

>>698
>divide and conquer

That would make sense if it was various groups attacking each other. This is more like anarchy with some racial undertones, people attacking the state and private businesses.

>something happen (riots, protest about environment, ecc..) there's someone (probably white/jew) getting money off of it

Maybe in a war overseas there's profit to be made but not when we're talking about things like the coronavirus or rioting. I don't see how the elites benefit from any of this.

>>700
>That would make sense if it was various groups attacking each other. This is more like anarchy with some racial undertones, people attacking the state and private businesses.

It's whites against whites with guilt and non-whites.

>I don't see how the elites benefit from any of this.

That's probably why they are billionares. If you don't see any benefits it doesn't mean there aren't any.

>>701
>It's whites against whites with guilt and non-whites.

I don't think as of yet that's what's going on here. Yes race is the underlining factor in everything but the riots are more like the people vs the state.

What you're talking about is more like a Charlottesville situation.

>doesn't mean there aren't any

Maybe there's some weird occult benefits to the chaos taking place but I can't see this being positive on a business level. How does a bank benefit when one of its branches burns to the ground?

It's getting crazy out there with all this black power stuff. I really believe we're in the middle of a global mass hysteria right now. I don't even want to leave my place with this going on, it all just sickens me.

>>717
Stay safe, anon. If you look at american history it's nothing new, 60's or even 70's were even crazier right? What amazes me is how it keeps happening decade after decade, like if nothing could be done about it.
It's kinda funny but some days ago it seems some people in my country have decided to support the protests by looting some supermarkets. Still, I live in a mostly peaceful, if really shitty, place.

>>718
>60's or even 70's were even crazier right?

Yeah, the 68 riots seemed like they were even crazier. What gets me is the pointlessness of all of this. It's like there's no more rights you can get blacks, you've got all of them and then some. Oh you want everyone to kneel for you now.

What I really hate to hear is how this is spreading overseas. It just goes to show how other countries mimic American gutter culture.

Anyone else catch the debate last night? I was surprised by how entertaining it was. Lots of realtalk being thrown around. I hope things get more chaotic in the next one.

>>1021
I was hoping for Trump to bring back the energy he had in 2016 but he just acted like a faggot baby on stage the whole time, arguing with Chris Wallace like a child. I guess he's always been pretty rude and all but I don't have the same vehement hatred for Biden as I did with Hillary so it just feels wrong for him to attack his son and interrupt him every five seconds. I was also pretty impressed by Biden, he had a few stumbles but it was overall a pretty good performance (he exceeded my expectations anyways), it certainly helped when Trump would interject every time he started fumbling words. If Trump had been more adherent to the rules I think Biden would have screwed himself by rambling into oblivion but it seems like the retard can't help himself. It was pretty clear he didn't prepare at all and figured he could spend the entire time intimidating Biden. I think they shouldn't have gone with Chris Wallace as the moderator since it's pretty well known that Trump doesn't like him. He was fine as a moderator but because Trump doesn't like him he could whine the whole time and then act like Wallace and Biden were ganging up on him.
Whenever Trump would say shit like "you just lost the left" when Biden said anything remotely liberal I fucking lost it, that was the funniest shit on television. Who else is the left going to vote for? The left knows that either they can push Biden left in office or if he doesn't move then they'll get someone further left in four or eight years. Certainly things won't get better if a center-left guy is in charge, it's pretty likely that if Trump gets elected things will move into Escape from L.A. territory while if Biden gets elected we'll move closer to where we were in the Obama years and then after that I'm not sure. Not like things are going to get better, but I am kind of looking forward to the president being just another dumb old guy. All anybody cared about with Obama was that he was black and all anybody cares about with Trump is that he's a retard. Maybe with Biden people will stop acting like the position of President is the king of the country. Probably not but there's a possibility of that.
Not really invested in either of them particularly but I don't like Trump. I think he was the lesser of two evils and I think it's bizarre that people have forgotten that. I guess enough people have made a fortune sucking him off on youtube that the conservatives have just accepted him.
My mother thinks I'm a sociopath or something because I said that it was hilarious that this event would literally decide whether certain people live or die. Probably not a good thing to say around a centrist.

>>1022
I had a different take, though the interruptions at times were irritating put in the context that they Chris was trying to throw softball questions at Biden who was trying to coast through the debate by reading talking points it makes sense that Trump would try to throw a wrench in their plans and take Biden off his game. The bullying was a bit rough but in politics it's effective. No one wants to vote for a victim. Biden telling Trump to shut up and telling him he's the worst president showed that he was getting under his skin.

I hated Chis Wallace more than anyone, it's true what people are saying, he was taking over the debate for Biden at times. He was interrupting just as much as anyone, which pissed me off because I'm not watching the debate to hear him talk.

I thought the Hunter Biden and the antifa were the best parts. Trump seemed to be really effective on those points. On other topics he was a bit underwhelming.

>>1023
>Chris was trying to throw softball questions at Biden
Frankly I thought they were all lame questions, and they were mostly about Trump's handling of certain issues, but I think that with the way that Trump has handled things like the riots and covid it's fair to ask him about them. I'm surprised that there was nothing about him sending unmarked federal police to Portland, that shit was insane. Antifa could have a nuclear bomb for all I care, unmarked police in America is crazy, it should have never gone that far and it didn't need to. And Trump dodged the white supremacy shit. Not that I'm necessarily against white supremacy I'm on an imageboard after all, that's a time honored tradition but it certainly doesn't look good that Trump hammers Biden on not condemning Antifa when all he can say about the Proud Boys and white supremacists is "stand back and stand charge". I'm not familiar enough with the Proud Boys to say if they are actually white supremacists, but if Trump doesn't want to get attacked with that either he should've made it clear that they aren't or he should've disavowed them so that Biden is stuck with Antifa. Or he should just be openly a white supremacist, which would probably make me less annoyed with him.
The question that probably would have helped Trump a lot would be something about foreign policy. At least from what I've seen Trump thinks that he's good at that, I haven't looked into them but it seems like all he talks about is his trade deals with China so I assume that he'd do well on that topic, I don't really know anything about Biden's positions there. Maybe the next debate will touch on that.
>Biden telling Trump to shut up and telling him he's the worst president showed that he was getting under his skin.
I think that with the shut up comment it was deserved, although disrespectful. The "worst president ever" part was gay, especially since from the Democrat's perspective there have been plenty of worse presidents. Andrew Jackson comes to mind. There was one point when he said something like "this clown- I mean president" and it came off really stiff like he came into the debate with that line in mind. Some dumb advisor probably told him a line like that would "totally own" Trump, it didn't seem like he came up with it on the spot. In the soundbite department Biden was definitely weaker but Trump didn't get anything on the level of "because you'd be in jail".
>He was interrupting just as much as anyone
He's the moderator, that's his position to take. It's not like he can mute their mics. He shut them both up when he needed to, but Trump interrupted and went over his time constantly. If his administration agreed to the format then he should just shut the fuck up and use his two minutes wisely. Instead Trump would talk over Biden the whole time, of course he'd need to interrupt Trump. Just think about all the times that they moved on to a different subject and then Trump would want to respond again, and Wallace fucking let him. He was walking a fine line because no matter what people would call him biased and he was trying to have the least amount of people think that. Try going through and taking note of every time Trump broke the format of the debate that he agreed to follow. Biden interrupted but it was much less than Trump, and I don't think he ever tried to respond out of turn could be wrong about that idk.
Also, consider the fact that Trump often wouldn't engage directly with the questions so they'd need to be phrased hyper-specifically and he'd still find a way to weasel out of them. Like the income taxes for example, Chris Wallace elaborates for an hour about "There was a report that claimed you paid 750 dollars in federal income taxes. I know you pay other taxes but in the specific case of income taxes how much money did you pay?" and Trump responds with some bullshit like "Well, I'll tell you Wallace I pay a lot of taxes you wouldn't believe, and I pay so many taxes some might say it's unfair, in fact people are saying it's criminal but I wouldn't say that it's just what people are saying. In fact I paid thirty zillion dollars in taxes one year can you believe that? Thirty zillion, it's phenomenal. And you know what and I'll tell you Wallace, we've built a great economy, a great one and it's only because of the China virus that we're where we're at and it should've never happened but we're recovering and we're recovering fast." And then when Biden responded Trump asked why when he was in power, Biden didn't get rid of the tax cuts that Trump fucking put in place, as if he could do anything about them before they happened.
>Hunter Biden
At one point Biden was talking about Beau Biden because he served in Afghanistan and Trump insulted the military, and Trump goes "I don't know about him, but why does your son deserve a million billion dollars from Russia" or something to that effect. As if that has anything to do with the accusations of Trump calling the military losers. It was just deflection and whining and not following the fucking format he agreed to the entire time.

>>1024
>unmarked police in America is crazy

Undercover cops drive around and make arrests in unmarked vehicles all the time, I don't see what the big deal is. And I don't think you're going to get any sympathy for antifa, most people are tired of their shit and want to see the full force of the law slammed down on them.

>Proud Boys to say if they are actually white supremacists

They're not, it's a multiracial group that's headed by a black guy. It's comical that people are getting conned into thinking the group is the new klan or whatever.

>Trump calling the military losers.

Fake news as far as I know.

>deflection and whining

Hunter Biden's a degenerate crackhead and crooked as hell. Trump should call him out at any chance he gets.

>fucking format

No one wants to see Trump follow the format. We want to see him bare knuckle box, and that's what we got. I think you're being a bit too clinical in your analysis, if you are Trump's just going to drive you crazy. He ad libs and so theirs going to be some misinformation in the mix. I find it refreshing, I don't want to hear politicians read for a script or being congenial with each other. To me that's all fake and insincere.

>>1026
>To me that's all fake and insincere.
Remember that the opposite is fake and insincere as well. Trump's famous catchphrases were focus group tested and selected as part of Bannon's campaign to focus on negative emotional responses.

>>1026
>Undercover cops drive around and make arrests in unmarked vehicles all the time, I don't see what the big deal is.
What you just said is in fact a big deal. But those aren't federal agents. And the people they arrest are ostensibly criminals, rather than protestors. It's a big difference between a single guy going after drug dealers and a bunch of aggressive faggots in riot gear riling up protestors and reinvigorating them. Not to say that there weren't criminals in the Portland protests, but these federal police weren't discriminate at all. It's laughable to act like the right cares about state's rights when Trump sends in these guys against the wishes of the authorities who wanted to deescalate the situation instead of give protestors an even bigger thing to protest against. Just think, if Trump hadn't stuck his nose into the situation they would have waved some signs around and whined a bit, some property damage would have happened but nothing on the scale of what actually went down. And if things still were as bad as they were he could still use the same talking point about le liberal democrats not letting him help, which is bullshit since why would voting him in for another four years change that but whatever.
> it's a multiracial group that's headed by a black guy
Actually Enrique Tarrio is probably the whitest hispanic guy I've ever seen. There's no doubt that the group is far right, but it doesn't seem like it's really white nationalist. Still, I doubt that the Proud Boys have anything near as good of a public image as Antifa has, it wouldn't hurt Trump to disavow them if he appealed to moderates but he doesn't.
>Fake news as far as I know.
It's certainly in character.
>Hunter Biden's a degenerate crackhead and crooked as hell. Trump should call him out at any chance he gets.
Not when they're talking about a different guy. And he really shouldn't be talking about him taking money from other countries, especially Russia, since it's pretty obvious that Trump has done shady shit in that department too. Clearly Russia likes Trump a hell of a lot. It's China that doesn't like him and that's just because he's unpredictable.
>No one wants to see Trump follow the format. We want to see him bare knuckle box, and that's what we got
Then he should have agreed to a format that allows him to do that without arguing with the moderator which made him look like a retarded kid.
>I think you're being a bit too clinical in your analysis, if you are Trump's just going to drive you crazy. He ad libs and so theirs going to be some misinformation in the mix
Trump lies every other breath, he can't help it. He's very open about having lied about covid, with his "cheerleader for the country" bullshit.
> To me that's all fake and insincere.
Don't be fooled, Trump is just as fake and insincere. Just because he's on the side that frowns instead of smiles as he twists a knife in your stomach doesn't mean he's more honest. His strategy was much more palatable in 2016 when his opponent was a baby-eating demon whore, but I think that a lot of people are tired of it by now and it won't work nearly as well against Biden who has a decent public image. After all, he's probably too stupid to remember the secret handshake to get on Epstein's island.

>>1032
I should add that while Biden probably didn't get any undecided voters on his side, but Trump probably did that for him. At this point if someone wasn't already a Trump supporter then they wouldn't be convinced to vote for him by him whining at the moderator for 90 minutes. No one is voting for Biden because they like him, every Democrat went with him because they thought he was the most electable candidate. People will vote for him because they don't like Trump. In November we'll see how much staying power Trump's attitude has, but I really think that Trump's strategy is much more suited to taking power than keeping it. But the popular opinion seems to shift daily now so I'm really not sure what to expect. And hell, Trump called into question the legitimacy of the election that he won, who knows what he'll do if he loses.

>Enrique Tarrio is probably the whitest hispanic guy I've ever seen
Imagine shamelessly posting outright lies like this.

>But those aren't federal agents.
Federal agents go undercover all the time. How do you think they infiltrate drug gangs, etc.
>And the people they arrest are ostensibly criminals, rather than protestors.
Trying to burglarize and torch federal buildings is illegal. They are violent gangsters.
>It's a big difference between a single guy going after drug dealers and a bunch of aggressive faggots in riot gear riling up protestors and reinvigorating them.
Federal agents were brought in to protect federal buildings that had been under assault for some time. Your "protestors" tried to seal the exits to the Portland Federal Building and set fire to it with federal employees still inside.
>It's laughable to act like the right cares about state's rights when Trump sends in these guys against the wishes of the authorities who wanted to deescalate the situation instead of give protestors an even bigger thing to protest against.
State authorities wanted him out because they support the revolutionaries trying to overthrow the federal government. That's insurrection not "deescalation". The first time local authorities did anything to "deescalate" the situation in Seattle was when the mayor finally ordered the police to clear out the commies after they went to her house and threatened her.
It's also laughable for commies to start up about "states rights" when before November 2016 it was a "racist dogwhistle".
>Just think, if Trump hadn't stuck his nose into the situation they would have waved some signs around and whined a bit, some property damage would have happened but nothing on the scale of what actually went down.
Of course you hve "forgotten" that the terrorists had been burning down buildings, looting, terrorising bystanders, etc, since May, certainly a very long time before there was a very small federal force sent to Portland to protect federal facilities. Just think, if the local authorities had put a stop to the riots at the first sign of violence they wouldn't have run on for months.
>And if things still were as bad as they were he could still use the same talking point about le liberal democrats not letting him help,
They actually hadn't let him help, so this is accurate.
>which is bullshit since why would voting him in for another four years change that but whatever.
"If you don't vote him out we will continue trying to violently overthrow the government and it will be his fault"
>Still, I doubt that the Proud Boys have anything near as good of a public image as Antifa has, it wouldn't hurt Trump to disavow them if he appealed to moderates but he doesn't.
Why would he need to disavow a group that isn't any sort of threat to anything? Four months of communist revolution and you're bitching about this.
>It's certainly in character.
Provide some facts to support the claim that being disrespectful to military servicemen is in his character.
>Not when they're talking about a different guy.
Biden started talking about his other son, who was not killed in military service but died of cancer after working as a politician, to try to deflect the topic from his corrupt son who was his bagman while he was Vice President.
>And he really shouldn't be talking about him taking money from other countries, especially Russia, since it's pretty obvious that Trump has done shady shit in that department too.
No, it's not obvious at all as almost 6 years of nonstop investigations have failed to turn up a single credible allegation in this respect.
>Clearly Russia likes Trump a hell of a lot.
Not clear at all. Certainly, according to the Mueller indictments, their (rather small-time) "election meddling" last time was actually done in favour of both candidates and after the election they helped to set up a number of anti-Trump demonstrations. Clearly their interest is in having a weak and divided United States. There is no indication that Russia likes him any more now, apart from the fact that their campaign to sow dissent has been highly successful because of all the useful idiots who ran with it all by themselves.
> It's China that doesn't like him and that's just because he's unpredictable.
Right. "Unpredictable".
>Then he should have agreed to a format that allows him to do that without arguing with the moderator which made him look like a retarded kid.
The moderator isn't running for office and shouldn't be trying to make points of his own.
>Trump lies every other breath, he can't help it.
The irony.

>>1033
>And hell, Trump called into question the legitimacy of the election that he won, who knows what he'll do if he loses.
We just witnessed 4 years of not accepting the election result, the legitimacy of electoral system, and you don't even accept the legitimacy of federal law at all. Hillary Clinton told Joe Biden not to concede under any circumstances if he loses, and Biden has appointed 600 election lawyers to contest election results and get them overturned by judges. But you have a

>>1035
>Imagine shamelessly posting outright lies like this.
I didn't say he was white, only that he was very whited up. Does it really matter? You're picking apart a stupid joke. Besides, I said that because you said, incorrectly, that he was black.
>Trying to burglarize and torch federal buildings is illegal. They are violent gangsters.
You haven't looked into the situation at all if you think these kike police only arrested looters and arsonists and left the retards waving the signs and breaking no laws alone.
> Your "protestors" tried to seal the exits to the Portland Federal Building and set fire to it with federal employees still inside
That was after Trump escalated the situation by sending in federal agents. Again, he's giving them more fuel. If he hadn't stuck his nose into the situation the protest would have ended up in some token or symbolic police reform in the area, or he could have used it as a way to support his "no one will let me help" narrative. And they aren't "my protestors" I don't know where you get the idea that I support them.
>revolutionaries trying to overthrow the federal government
It's ridiculous to act like that's the opinion of the majority of protestors. They want police reform and Trump gets on his knees and sucks off police every day. The only reason they care about Trump is because he's supported by the police more than anybody else, and he has no problem with militarizing the police as much as possible. Sure, the calls for police reform are instigated by racial bullshit but that became inevitable when we brought over a bunch of black people to pick our cotton because it was cheaper than doing it ourselves. Better that it happen through that than not at all, we're stuck with black people anyways, any hope of a white America died in the 17th century. Also you don't know what deescalation means, the goal is to stop the riot with as little violence as possible, rather than just dumping tear gas on everyone. Sure they both stop the riot eventually, but just running everyone over with tanks is a lot less cost-effective and takes longer and clearly in the case of Portland, it breathes new life and violence into otherwise lame protests. It's incredible how you act like Trump isn't a big reason why these protests are going on when he's the one in power. The Republicans had a majority in the Senate, the House, and the Supreme Court in 2016 and only lost the House in 2018 and yet you think that it's the Democrats that are controlling everything? Give me a break, just because it's the Republicans that like niggers a little less doesn't mean that they're any less kiked than their opponents.
>"If you don't vote him out we will continue trying to violently overthrow the government and it will be his fault"
My point is that if the problem is the governors then another four years of Trump isn't going to change that. If what he says is true then the focus should be put on electing republican governors. But it isn't true, the protests are going on in Republican cities too, and the crime rates are just as high in Republican cities. But again, Trump is going to try and get reelected instead, then expand the power of the presidency for the millionth time to solve this "problem" himself. But no, it's the far left neo-marxist postmodern socialist sjw cancel culture liberal democrats that want big government. And yes, the person that gives people an excuse for violence is at least partially at fault.
>Why would he need to disavow a group that isn't any sort of threat to anything?
Public image. He looks like a hypocrite when he hammers Biden for not denouncing Antifa when he won't denounce the group that's postured as the right-wing equivalent. But again, it wouldn't help him because he doesn't appeal to moderates in the first place.
>Biden started talking about his other son, who was not killed in military service but died of cancer after working as a politician, to try to deflect the topic from his corrupt son who was his bagman while he was Vice President.
That's the most retarded shit I ever read. Biden was talking about his son in reference to the allegations of Trump calling the military "losers". He didn't change the topic from Hunter, and nobody thinks the guy died in combat, I'm not sure where you got that idea. It was clear that Trump was the one deflecting because he didn't want to talk about the fact that people like Beau Biden. For context this is the clip I'm referencing, the exchange happens about a minute and a half in: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vaioeewn5CY

>They actually hadn't let him help, so this is accurate.
He forced his help on them anyways. These are elected officials, and if it's within their power to let the city burn then Trump shouldn't interfere.
>Provide some facts to support the claim that being disrespectful to military servicemen is in his character
He's called John McCain and George H.W. Bush losers. He also doesn't like when amputee veterans are in parades. I don't know if this particular example is true, but I certainly believe he has it in him to call the military losers. His entire philosophy is based off of taking advantage of people and who's being taken advantage of more than soldiers? At least from the perspective of a "self-made businessman" they're all suckers just like any of the wagies that are working for him.
>The moderator isn't running for office and shouldn't be trying to make points of his own.
Name a single "point" Wallace made. The most he did was try and steer Trump back towards the question he actually asked, and his only fault was that he was shit at it. Any other candidate he would have done fine with.
>The irony.
Trump makes bold faced lies while other politicians hide their dirty secrets behind the scenes. Trump lies constantly, more than even normal politicians. He said that Hunter Biden was dishonorably discharged and that wasn't true. He said that he got "tens of millions of dollars" when all he's been accused of getting is 3.5 million, and he had said that number earlier. He said that Biden wants to get rid of private healthcare which isn't true. He said that Biden condoned rioting right after Biden said he denounces rioting.
Remember when he said that we would have a vaccine in a week? Remember when he said that the Coronavirus would just go away in the summer? Remember when he said that only 6% covid deaths were caused by covid even though it was known from the start that things like obesity and lung problems are a huge factor in its lethality? Remember when he said that America has one of the lowest covid mortality rates in the world? The guy can't help himself, he's a habitual liar. It's either that or he's helplessly controlled by his own propaganda. At least with other politicians it's controlled. He's fine at exposing corruption in others, but when it comes to himself he's just as guilty, which makes him look worse because he acts like he's above the normal politicians. Hell, I don't like Biden but I guarantee he can't manage to lie 1/10th the amount Trump lies.

Fuck this, it's retarded and gay and I'm not going to convince you of shit and you're not going to convince me of shit. I think you're getting taken advantage of by a party of breeders and you're fine with it because the other side is a party of faggots. When looking at the debate from the perspective of an undecided voter it's clear to me that Trump won no one over, and actively pushed moderates away. I shouldn't have opened my retarded mouth about this shit because it's more important to me that I stay civil with my mage brothers regardless of how stupid I think your position is. Hell, I think I'm a stupid motherfucker and people don't argue with me so why should I argue with you? The election is practically already decided anyways and it's not even like my goal is to make you vote for Biden over Trump, just to get you to see what a dumb gorilla Trump is, but that's a useless endeavor. I'm not invested in a particular side so I just get mad at everything and alienate everyone. What a stupid thing to pay attention to politics is. I'll shut up now.

Why care about the election? It's just a big normalfag popularity contest. No matter who wins the spot of boss-ruler-man people on the bottom of the social order like us are going to get fucked over. It's been that way since cavemen followed the biggest most popular cunt, and it's still that way now.

>>1039
Not an American but I wouldn't mind seeing Trump win. I want MORE chaos in the streets, I find it entertaining, and with Trump I think that's what we'll get (the right hardly ever riots when it doesn't get its way).

Here's an good recent example of what I want to see more of.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rs6vacW2HIg

>>1040
Same. I'm from Europe but I find US people and their tantrums very entertaining to watch. I hope more riots like the last ones will continue in the future.

well, it looks like Trump's going to win this election

>>1069
Anon, I...

>>1111
derp, looks like I got that one wrong, infowars you let me down

https://www.nytimes.com/2021/07/03/world/asia/china-slackers-tangping.html

Article about young chinese men (all the examples are men) dropping out of work and just relaxing, which they call "lying flat". Of course the government tries to bully them into working by calling it "shameful".
Neet life is inevitable when working just isn't worthwhile for an increasing number of people.

>>1514
Sadly it's not NEET life that's inevitable, but working.

>>1514
Good, because living in China (more accurately known as West Taiwan) is bad enough without working, so imagine actually working there. It gets so crowded that a lot of people have been crushed to death by the sheer weight of the mob. Going outside here is bad enough, I can only imagine how awful that must be. I wouldn't be able to deal with that. Anyway, I hope their government doesn't kill them (after selling their organs) or throw them in concentration camps, though, because that would not be surprising over there, since it does happen.

They are doing the world a service too (along with all the people that emigrate from West Taiwan and hate their government more than anyone else, and oppose tyranny where they go to as well), not contributing to their especially horrible society that now has its tentacles all over the world, influencing everything, and being imitated by almost all governments in the world, since all of them want life everywhere to be as bad as it is in West Taiwan, and to be as oppressive if not more.

>>1514
>they call "lying flat"

I guess this is the Chinese version of "lay down and rot"

This is a pretty juicy thread and as much as I don't want to bring politics and conspiracies into Magicchan, I can't stay silent after seeing some posts I have read here.
>>194
>>196
>WWIII
>But yes you are right in that WWIII is highly unlikely. Modern war is fought by corporations and not by soldiers.
>>204
>You could call globalization the third and final world war.
This. WWII was the last hope for mankind as a whole, it was a war waged by the genuine liberators of the Axis against a cabal of oppressors that called themselves "democratic allies", every single attempt at fighting back against them after this one has been nipped in the bud straightaway. After the victory of the oppressors, they proceeded to dismantle nationalism and traditionalism in every place nation that could lately pose a threat to them, while fabricating completely false accounts of the events and their smearing enemies in all the worst ways they could think of. Nationalist culture was replaced with international consumerism, tradition was replaced with nihilistic hedonism.
>Do you think things will get better or worse? Maybe a better question is do you think things will get worse faster or slower than this past decade? I can't imagine things getting worse at a rate faster than they did these past ten years.
>Which way do you think this decade will go? Can things get much worse? Could they possibly get better?
>I see things getting worse, as that has been the pattern.
>>601
>Not even half way into this year and everything seems to be going to shit
>I get the feel we're at a turning point
I personally think its over, guys. The oppressors have never been so strong in history, and believe me, they have been really strong in the past. Its true that they regret making the internet a public utility due to how much information about them has been leaked to all four corners of the world, but people are too weak to stand up against them and start fixing things, there's too much division and hatred between parties which would otherwise be allied against a greater enemy. I have thrown in the towel.
>>693
>Race war
One of the greatest fears of the oppressors are all the different races of mankind fighting together against them in an united global effort.
>>694
>I don't wish to have anything to do with /pol/, it repulses me.
I know exactly why you feel that way, its because /pol/ and its splinters have degenerated into pure hatred for everyone else that's different from them. It din't used to always be this way, it has been astroturfed to shit into this sorry state, and I fear the damage is irreversible. I used to be mostly a lurker and never post anything outside Brazilian imageboards friendly to non-whites because I was always afraid of posting elsewhere after reading a post on Wizardchan against Brazilian users, since I have always been very anxious of negative replies to my posts. But everything changed for me after reading the thread in the third pic, seeing so many white anons replying politely to another black man made me realize I wasn't truly hated universally by anons just for being African.

/pol/ used to be incredibly smart and not just open minded, but broadly minded! Anons post about all sorts of conspiracy theories and a number of them turned out to be real conspiracies, but then everything devolved into blaming jews and non-whites for all the evils of the world, resulting in calls for terror attacks and total genocides of multiple races. Now /pol/ and its descendants are a hazard to every imageboard that hosts them, and what was once a force of good became yet another force of evil.
>>698
>Never heard of divide and conquer? People fighting each other is a good thing for the ones who have to govern them.
This.
>>700
>I don't see how the elites benefit from any of this.
>>>701
>If you don't see any benefits it doesn't mean there aren't any.
>>>706
>Maybe there's some weird occult benefits to the chaos taking place but I can't see this being positive on a business level. How does a bank benefit when one of its branches burns to the ground?
Its not about money or other material assets, its about establishing total control over the world. Create the problem, foment the call for a reaction, provide the solution. Yes, the oppressors do benefit themselves on a spiritual level from all the evil they cause with their engineered chaos.
>It's whites against whites with guilt and non-whites.
Wrong, you have been mindfucked into thinking this way. It's humans of all races who want to live free and healthy lives among their own people against a cabal of oppressors comprised of wealthy globalists, technocrats, religious jews and zionists, satanists, liberals and all useful idiots manipulated by it. The cabal itself is commanded by evil interdimensional beings.
>>1022
>Trump
He is part of the cabal, as are many "leaders" all over the world.

Robots look like they'll be taking most of the jerbs by the end of this decade. The software powering them just gets more capable year after year, getting real close to closing the sim2real gap, doing everything in real time with onboard compute. When the average person can't do anything economically productive what will happen to them I wonder?

>>1659
> When the average person can't do anything economically productive what will happen to them I wonder?
Don't worry, that problem is in the process of being solved. :^) Why the sage, by the way? Your post is on topic, and bumps shouldn't be detrimental to the board's health at all.

>>1663
>why the sage
Mostly because my post wasn't all that contributive. Just a short little blip and I didn't really think it needed to push other more active topics where people are actually talking to each other down. Also I wasn't sure I'd have the energy to give a good response if someone made an in-depth reply with their own thoughts on the matter, so I was thinking if it sat down at the bottom of the page for a while it would be fine.

>>1664
>Mostly because my post wasn't all that contributive.
I disagree, I consider automation to be an important topic, bringing it up again was a good idea.
>I didn't really think it needed to push other more active topics where people are actually talking to each other down.
Don't worry, mage, I don't think its wrong to assume our community is familiar enough with how imageboards function, I don't think scrolling down to check for new posts on the the first page is hard for us. I admire your consideration for other users, anons like you are a rare specimen these days.

>>1659
I've been thinking about it, and nothing will happen. Some people think a basic rent will be available for everyone but I don't see how that would happen. Most unemployed will have to find a way to survive in the underground economy. Those who can't find anything will become homeless or die.
Nothing that doesn't happen everyday in every third world shithole. I don't think having 20%, 40% or 60% of the total population in that situation does makes any difference.

>>1666
Most people would revert to their tribalistic roots, kinda like what's been happening with the huge political divide in recent years.

>>1666
That's basically how it looks to me too. This is basically the last time in history that working will actually have some value. Universal neetbux is a nice dream but most people will probably end up in a kind of urban hunter-gatherer existence, picking through the garbage of society looking for some kind of scraps. Indian slums will be the norm.
Automation will attack jobs at all levels, and as people compete to do the shrinking number of jobs still done by people, the value of those jobs will tank too.
It will also be tied up with economic centralisation; business will increasingly be done by a limited number of firms that can pump out shit on a massive scale without a corresponding amount of labour and without a significant increase in their overheads.
I live in a "rich" post-industrial country and things are basically just limping along as it is, with gradually declining living standards for most people and a newly imported underclass of low-wage poors doing shitty piecework jobs like food delivery to make five bucks here and there. All "economic growth" since the GFC has come from increased government expenditures and housing inflation and there's not even a plan for anything else. Things are basically fucked

>>1668
I think they use to call it the society of the three thirds or something like that. Basically one third of miserable and probably homeless people living from informal economy or temporary jobs, one third of poor workers that will have to do more hours and earn less money with every year and one third of highly qualified professionals with skills that will still be demanded. The last third will do most of the consuming, the second will spend most of his money in rents and whatever is left in low cost services and products. No one will give a fuck about the first third and it will become a parallel society deeply despised by the rest.
We have to accept most humans, even in developed countries, aren't necessary at all, therefore expendable.

>>1666
You're probably completely correct. I've been increasingly, and probably irrationally, paranoid about how all the stuff that will let first world countries automate away jobs will also let the government build automated surveillance networks, automated (dis)information control systems, and automated weapon swarms. That plus a quickly growing untouchable caste of people who aren't used to true poverty makes me nervous. People already were throwing fits over what happened to the economy last year which was just a tiny bump in the road compared to what could happen soon.

>>1674
I don't think you need complicated surveillance systems when everyone has a smartphone in their pocket. I think this whole idea of "they want control us" is deeply flawed, because they already control us and they've been doing it for many years.
You don't need the STASI or a hardcore dictatorship in a world with smartphones and social media.
This isn't the 60's or the 70's, there's no alternatives or big social movements. You could argue about the capitol invasion but that only happened because it was sponsored and allowed by the government itself, or part of it.
We use to think in terms of social unrest, how you can't upset a majority and all that, but they are dated concepts. Third world countries prove you can have a vast majority of population in absolute poverty and still keep your power indefinitely.

>>1675
I fully agree about smartphones, even discounting the fact that they can easily be backdoored/hacked, NORPs will willingly use them to record everything they do and broadcast it to the world.
When I talk about surveillance and control systems I don't mean it's a new thing or they will be the primary or even an overt method of control. As you said there is already effective control of the populace through persistent propaganda and social engineering. I mostly think that AI systems are contingency systems. Right now the general populace could hypothetically still ditch the smart phones, start purposefully jamming the gears of the economic and social systems, even engage in a guerrilla war. It wouldn't be possible to win an all out war, but it would be possible to make it so costly that it would be more beneficial for the state to just make concessions. However AI systems begin to provide persistent total surveillance, automated responses, and even prediction of events, the cost calculations shift further and further out of our favor.
>Third world countries prove you can have a vast majority of population in absolute poverty and still keep your power indefinitely.
I don't disagree, but third world countries are generally prone to outbursts of unrest, civil wars, and disruption of economic activities. It's not about the rulers being unable to hold control, but that they do so at significant cost and with diminished system stability. I fear that automated systems will make it so that not only is there no longer any significant cost to complete control, but that it becomes the most profitable method of governance.

Though after typing all that out, I think you're probably right and I'm just worrying about the exact outcome of a game we've already lost.

>>1676
>I'm just worrying about the exact outcome of a game we've already lost.
When I realized and accepted this, I just gave up on everything and decided to take it easy. Good has lost this fight, might as well as take it easy and just focus on enjoy the things you care about. To paraphrase a popular expression in the imageboards of my country: Fuck all of this shit, I just want to be happy.

>>1677
I wish I could do that. You're never bothered by guilt and doubt?
Sometimes I think the whole world is going to shit so my disastrous existence is just a natural thing.
But sometimes I also think that's just an excuse and the ones that say this is the best moment in human history are right and everyone is succeeding easily, leaving myself in my own isolated island of failure.

>>1705
>You're never bothered by guilt and doubt?
Guilt? Never. Doubt? Some big discoveries I made in the past got me doubting things to this very day. Sometimes I reevaluate all of it and every time I realize that as much as I don't want it all to be true, it is, and there's nothing I can do to change that.
>But sometimes I also think that's just an excuse and the ones that say this is the best moment in human history are right and everyone is succeeding easily, leaving myself in my own isolated island of failure.
Don't worry about that, they are completely wrong, but I'm not going to tell you why for a multitude of reasons, I'll just tell you that I would be willing to bet not my life but instead my well-being on that.

The forced vaccinations have arrived where I live. Never thought the day would come when healthy people are forbidden from going about their lives because they haven't submitted to some unnecessary medical treatment. They already announced that next year they will repeat it with booster shots, and presumably forever after that.
Maybe it's irrational but this bothers me way more than covid. I hate the idea of making an irreversible change to my body and I really resent being forced to do things that I don't want to do.

>>1767
I think it's a weird moral dilemma because most things that are considered wrong to do (at least in modern society idk if it was different long ago), are when you are doing something that effects other people in a way they didn't want to be effected. But with vaccines you are potentially effecting someone else because you didn't do something to stop a bad thing. It's interesting that this is a situation where not only do people think that this potential is just as bad as actually doing something negative, and also it is something where not doing something positive is as bad as doing something negative. Makes sense, since in this case not getting a certain amount of the population vaccinated is supposed to make the virus stick around much longer if not forever and potentially mutate into something worse. One thing that is insane to me is that the restrictions like face masks and social distancing still apply to vaccinated people (at least where I live), if they just wanted people to get vaccinated what's the point of keeping the restrictions on the vaccinated people? No one will want to get the vaccine if you still have to do all the same shit. From the government's perspective, it should probably be worth a slightly greater risk of transmission if it gets more people vaccinated, and I don't think it would be unpopular.
Personally i think that we should have all just let covid purge the world's population of old and fat people, and let the rest deal with whatever the lasting effects on the lungs are.

>>1768
There is no such thing as coronavirus retard they made it all up

>>1768
Sorry but thinking that normans care about protecting others made me laugh a little bit. They got the vaccine to protect themselves and so that the government would let them go to parties and overseas holidays again. They are so selfish that they schemed ways around the eligibility criteria (at the start there were planned stages of priority based on risk) to push in front of old/sick people who needed it. All they can think about is themselves. Now they pretend to be terrified that children haven't been vaccinated, even though the death rate in kids is 1 in 100000.
Lockdowns were supposed to be a one-off "to stop the spread" but have gone on forever. The vaccines were a one-time thing and now we need boosters every 12 months for people with bad immunity, no wait, every 8 months for healthcare workers, no wait, every 6 months, no wait, every 5 months for everybody. There was never covid here because of the paranoiac border controls, so the people who got vaccinated early have literally never been protected from anything (like spraying yourself with unicorn repellent) and already need boosters because it's wearing off. Politicians must think it's hilarious that they have turned the population into their personal pincushions.
The medical authorities trying to force this vaccine into me still: encourage infant circumcision to "prevent HIV" (literally witchdoctor superstition tier), recommend eating toxic vegetable oils ("good fats") that are inflammatory and estrogenic, and refuse to treat covid with anything shown to reduce symptoms or deaths. As evidence accrues in something's favour they move to ban it. Last week was a study that aspirin reduces covid deaths by 45% (about as much as the vaccine immediately before getting your 6-month booster) and simultaneously the public health authorities announced new advice that aspirin is dangerous and not recommended (for heart patients, not for covid).
It's an affront to be bullied by people like that.

I'm just so tired. All my problems are innate, so I'll never have peace because there's nowhere in the world where I can hide from myself.
I think the worst of this vaccine business is the reminder of how powerless I am to even set up my own life in a way that the world doesn't keep intruding upon it. And so it triggered an existential crisis of sorts where all of my failings keep dragging themselves back into the open. I can't sleep now, just tormented by 20 hours a day of rumination over what a disaster my life has been. Nothing but how shit I have always been at everything and always will be. The world will never get better for someone like me because it can't. Things will just keep getting inexorably worse until I finally manage to check out for good.

>>1774
> I'll never have peace because there's nowhere in the world where I can hide from myself.

As someone with very similar kind of thoughts, I can tell you you can, somehow, hide from yourself.
There's a quote from Christopher Knight that shows this idea;
>“My desires dropped away. I didn’t long for anything. I didn’t even have a name. To put it romantically, I was completely free.”

To put it simple, you can disolve your self with extensive periods of isolation. Other people are like mirrors that reflect your disfigured image. So if there's no people there's no place for the strong sense of ego that's so hurtful. Now I know this is easier said than done.

>>1775
Yep. Having anything to do with them was a mistake. Wish I could just move to a shack in the woods but even that's a pipe dream in my country.

>>1775
> I didn’t even have a name.
I hate hearing my own name so that must be great

For once I have finally found happiness and joy, pure JOY. I try not to read the news. I'm trying to make peace with myself and just relax and take it easy. I lived a good life. Hope you guys can feel better soon

>>1782
How you made it?

>>1793
Does it matter how? No one's journey is the same. I doubt we will be hearing from him again.

>>1794
I just wanted some hope.

Can't believe it's nearly 2 years since OP and not only did nothing get better but everything is worse.

>>1793
I got bux

Guess things only ever get worse

>>2125
I am astonished how true this continues to be. It's only been a little over 3 months since >>1798 commented on the state of things since OP and now there's an escalating war in the 2nd largest country in Europe between European nations.

>>2126
Two years ago I expected basically a stasis on this kind of stuff, with governments just kind of quietly locking things down as economic and social conditions got worse. Instead there was the plague and all that it brought with it, and now a war.
I just hope it doesn't spiral out of control like the plague did, but for all any of us know it might already be unavoidable. This time two years ago the plague was barely a month old and the sharemarkets had collapsed, I guess the war is only a week or so old and anything could happen.

It's fucking 2023. Fuck.