No.770
I swear I tried
No.780
>>779what's with the long nose
No.827
>>825>>826I think StuGs SUCK!
This post made by T34/85 gang.
No.849
>>845shoot i should get around to watching Lain, apparently it's real good?
No.888
>>880Dedication and care is born from love.
>>882Great webm.
No.889
>>882I think "romantic love" in the typical the least meaningful of form of love. A lot of people who are "in love" don't seem like their relationship is based on anything deeper than physical infatuation. I'm not saying that sexual attraction isn't important, but I think the way non-sexual aspects of love get sidelined is far from ideal. Sex would definitely be important to me in that kind of relationship, but I could also easily have sex with someone without really caring about them as a person.
No.890
>>882*in the typical sense is the least meaningful form of love.
No.891
I'm going to be real with you sometimes I get tired of being called a subhuman online by chuds.
No.896
>>891How about instead of instigating that kind of behaviour you refrain from giving it attention by not talking about that, and either reporting when you see something like that, or stop browsing the place you're in?
Because let's be completely honest, you ARE browsing those places because you want to feel like that. You want to read that. You like that.
No.897
Why was
>>891 warned, is that post somehow unkind?
>>896What's with the mean assumptions? What's the point of posting that.
No.898
>>897>Why was >>891 warned, is that post somehow unkind?I'm
>>892, and I'm curious too.
No.899
>>897>>898Thought there was some consensus disagreement. My bad
No.900
Anyone else feel sad about anon.cafe's impedning death? I feel guilty for not posting enough there. It was a neat place. Makes me think about all the other little imageboards out there I don't visit. All the experiences I could have had but didn't.
No.901
>>896Pretending it doesn't ever happen does nothing. Reporting also does nothing. This is one of the few boards where politics are off limits. I was just venting.
>Because let's be completely honest, you ARE browsing those places because you want to feel like that. You want to read that. You like that.Okay, so now I"m a closet pedo just because I share the board with lolicons?
>>897Yeah exactly, it's victim blaming. You get tired of the dehumanization for your skin color. I thought this place would understand that, but I guess not.
No.902
>>899I might have been ribbing him for unironically calling people "chuds," but I think he should be able to say that if he wants. Even if he'd call me that.
>>900Yeah, I've been posting there since I first knew about it and it does make me feel a bit sad. Even though we have replacements ready or in the works for a lot of the boards that have been hosted by anon.cafe, there was something special about the site.
No.905
>>902> but I think he should be able to say that if he wants. Even if he'd call me thatI honestly think this shouldn't be allowed here. If somebody new shows up and sees this, then they will assume this is how things work here.
No.912
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>>891I'm tired of being called a subhuman online by storm users and nazis but there's no avoiding it. I'm pretty sure people out there in the street think the same way. They just don't say it directly. Maybe its better when they are just honest online? Then I decide never to go outside because everyone might be evil. They probably are evil. Humanity is evil. Now you enter the nihilistic death spiral and can't stop automatically judging people as evil. Life ends.
No.914
>>903>Small cozy niche boards being harder to find or outright disappearing for awhile, is always a shame.It looks to me like Grimchan bit the dust too. I only learned about the board because of someone on the last incarnation of /kind/ bringing it up.
>>904At least anon.garden plans on carrying the board when anon.cafe goes down.
No.915
Can we still have our bunker?
No.916
>>905Boards like this should prioritize longtime users over any newbies IMO.
>>912The few good people make it worth it but just barely.
>>914I tried Voichan after Grimchan went down. Grimchan used to be friends with /kind/, but Unity didn't know how to deal with spam so he stopped wanting it to be linked. Speaking of, it would be nice if /kind/ still had friends.
No.919
>>905>this shouldn't be allowed here.this is a slippery slope, allowing vs disallowing.
let it be natural.
And if history goes for anything, heavy handedness usually leads to raids and revenge.
No.920
>>916actual newb here, same guy as
>>849 and I have absolutely no idea about any of the chans y'all are talking about. But I've been terminally online for decades now; what you want is to hit a good balance of being friendly to noobs without alienating your existing base too much, if the place seems like it's not welcoming, then people like me will look for another community instead and eventually this place will die (I mean, it's going to die regardless, it's just a matter of when). Or if people here are trying to propagate falling into hatred like the incel, fascism, or that one sex trafficker's movement, but I guess that's why fuck politics as a rule exists, which I mean, /yeah, good/.
No.921
>>916>I tried Voichan after Grimchan went down.What's Voichan? I've never heard of that one.
>>920>Or if people here are trying to propagate falling into hatred like the incel, fascism, or that one sex trafficker's movement"Incel" and "fascist" are more often used as smear words than as accurate descriptions, but /kind/ has always been about leaving your political affiliations at the door.
No.922
>>921Nah, I was actually using them legitimately rather than a smear word. People online tend to be real fucking scary yo
No.923
>>921probably a typo of Voidchan.
No.944
>>919The sorts of people who use language like "chud", "incel", etc etc tend to be unkind and like to invade places to spread politics. Insults of any kind shouldnt be allowed on /kind/ and politically charged language like "chud" shouldnt be allowed on wapchan.
>>905I agree with anon here. Ruin comes by degrees, and gatekeeping is the immune system of any community.
No.945
>>944Gatekeeping? This alt-chan barely produces like 2-5 posts a day and it doesn't really have it's own culture that's even worth gatekeeping. Wapchan still needs to find a way to stand out from the crowd before it starts trying to preserve itself culturally. Maybe once this place starts generating like at least 20 posts a day, has the illegal content under control, and has a well rounded active culture, then should it consider gatekeeping. Gatekeeping a barely active alt-chan won't help it grow. We should give it some time for it to experiment, it's the only way you can create a healthy chan culture imo. It's like catching lighting with a bottle, it's pretty damn hard to create an alt-chan with an actual identity.
(and this is why we should bring back /lum/, wapchan's sovl)
No.946
>healthy chan culture
Sorry I'm not sure something like that is possible, or should be encouraged
No.947
>>946I mean a "chan culture" in itself shouldn't be the goal
No.948
>>946>>947I mean, it's in the name. This is an alt-chan after all, unless you want to go for the Agora Road route.
No.949
>>945wapchan has plenty of identity already, and the illegal content is well under control. I havent seen it in awhile, and figman goes above and beyond in preventing it for a website of this size. I think the fact that this thread was completely derailed just by the use of the C-word is strong evidence of what allowing that sort of language will do to the site, if allowed to persist. I don't want to be on that kind of website, and for any users who do, there are plenty of other altchans where such things are the norm.
Picture related. When it comes to 'gatekeeping', its not like we are talking about super-strict unwritten rules. Don't post insults on kind, and don't use politically charged language. That includes the multiple words already used in this thread, and anything else that could reasonably qualify. I don't think anyone who would object to this is a good fit for our comfy place here. I didn't migrate to this website to see those kinds of words, and I will admit that seeing one of them here made me a little upset.
and so does seeing people like
>>946 saying that imageboard culture is bad. I shiggy diggy.
No.951
>>945The places "identity" was a retro/pre2k anime themed imageboard before it became a bunker for dieing boards from what i recall.
The main problem from what i see isnt finding new users, they will find it regardless, its getting the ones already here to post around the site instead of their refugee boards.
No.952
>>949I don't get what you mean, what I meant by saying "chan-culture" is not something to strive for is exactly what you're describing, putting a label on this board that it needs to take on for example the not so kind aspects from typical 4chan, just to reach higher traffic, I don't want so much. It may use the same format and has a similar name, but that doesn't mean it has to adapt the same culture.
No.953
>>949Honestly you're right about the 'gatekeeping', I can understand trying to keep a place like this civil. I was wrong about that. As for for Wapchan's identity, I don't think I can fully agree. There are so many alt-chans that do the same thing Wap does (sometimes better). Also every alt-chan I've visited has a retro anime or old /a/ 2000s 4chan larp board. Wapchan doesn't have much going for it apart from having /kind/ refugees save it from death. Honestly the /kind/ folks here saved wapchan from it's inevitable death, (thou I wish they would post more on the other boards). As
>>951 said maybe the /kind/ folks should post more often on /chill/ or /media/ to keep this place fresh.
Also /lum/ should return. I miss it dearly.
No.954
>>952Honestly I'm also just a noob that doesn't like to go to the majority of imageboards because of their culture, but I like it here and don't want this place to become like everywhere else, that was all I was trying to say.
No.955
>>949Also replying to someone and brushing them off as people like that is a bit hurtful
No.957
>>955nothing I said brushed anyone off, anon. being kind also means being honest. All I did was state my opinions and present a counter-argument to anon 945.
>>951If there was more discussion going on in those other boards, I think maybe some more posters would be attracted to going over to discussion.
>>952"chan culture" isnt insulting people and I dont see how a person could reasonably come to that conclusion. anonymous image boards have always been about stripping users of identity so that posts may only be judged by their content. Without a way to gain reputation or to be identified reliably as a belonging to a particular group, it allows everyone to be taken equally seriously; Biases are difficult to apply when all one has to prejudice are ideas. That freedom, and the chaotic tangle of sillyposting and thought-sharing that follows, is a large part of the proverbial baby you seem to be throwing out with the bathwater. There is a lot of hidden value and adventure your missing out on by dismissing the whole of imageboard culture and history as you have. also dont go on halfchan, its a husk of what it once was, and is a total waste of time.
>>953Make a thread!
No.958
>>957it's like people forgot that "lets love other people" doesn't mean we have to tolerate people being dicks
No.959
>>949>illegal content is well under control. I havent seen it in awhileMaybe it is a timezone thing because I do keep seeing it, sometimes even two threads at the same time.
No.960
>>945>>953You're all right. The storytime and the reboot has sparked interest. I've brought back
>>>/lum/ >>959People post stuff when I'm sleeping and can't take care of it (the jannies help but they sleep too of course). I've implemented an advanced regex filter that should hopefully solve this spam problem.
No.962
>>957>Without a way to gain reputation or to be identified reliably as a belonging to a particular group, it allows everyone to be taken equally seriously; Biases are difficult to apply when all one has to prejudice are ideas.I have noticed a number of failure modes in this, though. It seems to be a property of fully anonymous communication in groups, because I've also seen it in LJ/Dreamwidth anon communities that hate all chans with a burning hatred.
The biggest one is flipping out about language choices. This can happen in a lot of ways, but generally seems to follow from not being able to recognize anyone as part of your given group. This means that anyone could potentially be an outsider, and that breaks a good chunk of human monkey brains. Since language choices are the only method of identification, they become the single mode of in-group identification This means that in advanced forms language is policed ruthlessly as a method of keeping the in-group the in-group and the out-group the out-group. Smaller communities without a strong group identity can avoid this, but it tends to happen as the community gets bigger and more established.
(fun fact: both chans and the LJ communities had a single enemy they tried to drive out: Reddit. When I still hung around them the policing got intense)
In general, entirely anonymous communication just makes monkey brains flip out. Maybe it's a certain subset of people, maybe it's everyone after a certain limit is reached, but I've seen it happen too many times to just dismiss it.
I still think anonymous communication is valuable and we should preserve it, but it can go bad in ways it's easy to dismiss until it's too late.
No.965
>>957>"chan culture" isnt insulting people and I dont see how a person could reasonably come to that conclusion. You can't deny that complete anonymity in combination with attracting a large number of certain users can lead to bringing out the worst of each other, for example the stigma that especially some 4chan boards have been known for. I rarely post but I've been lurking long enough on that site to maintain my opinion that it did more harm than good to me.
Of course there are benefits in anonymous spaces, and maybe I am overly sensitive in that regard. But even so, group-thinking is a thing even in places where posts cannot be easily traced to users, you have to behave in a way that is accepted in those spaces, adjust to their culture, or you will get ruled out, so I don't think that one is truly taken equally anywhere and biases do exist.
And to a certain extent you can be anonymous and still contribute somewhat equally compared to imageboards even on forums/reddit, by making burner accounts and posting something valuable for example. The masses will judge by up/downvoting, but again this can also happen in anonymous imageboards by replying often enough making it clear that you posted something wrong, it's only not as obvious as with reddit, and debatable if that cannot be more hurtful than simple voting.
I am not dismissing the whole image board culture, otherwise I wouldn't be here, basically I just associate striving for "chan culture" with turning into 4chan which rubbed me in a wrong way.
No.966
There's too much focus on gatekeeping. People forget that more goes into making a community than setting up barriers that keep party poopers out. A community needs values. e.g. phreak BBSs back in the 80s had their own code of honor. You don't rat people out. You share your knowledge. You do what you do for the love of the hack. Never hurt ordinary people. This is where 4chan went wrong. There's no values there aside from lolz and sticking it to normalfags. No wonder it went sideways.
>>965All communities are going to have their unwritten rules. If those are just there's nothing wrong with forcing people to play by them. The issue is when a userbase becomes a hivemind of drones obsessed with conforming to a code. e.g. a certain type of poster who will freak out and become hostile whenever they see X type of content posted and reply with the same insults, slurs, and images. "when see X, do Y" is burned in their brain. This kind of thing is a problem on social networks too but its more noticable on anonymous sites because its the only way users can signal what internet tribe they belong to.
All of this stuff is off topic anyway. I wish I could love other people but I'm always worried they are being insincere and they are actually nasty and hostile but being fake nice. So I do what I can to stay away from people.
No.988
>>965>You can't deny that complete anonymity in combination with attracting a large number of certain users can lead to bringing out the worst of each otherBut I can deny that this is an element of anonymous image boards specifically and not part of the broader human experience. That happens everywhere, to everyone, online and off.
>adjust to their culture, or you will get ruled outyes generally you are supposed to integrate into a culture of a place and not fight it, anon. if you dont fit with the culture, change or fit somewhere else. Expecting a group to automatically accept you without you having to actually put in the effort to fit in with them is very silly. Its something I've noticed a lot of normals do, prying open communities they dont belong to or fit in with, only to destroy them and then move on. I don't understand the mentality.
> group-thinking is a thing even in places where posts cannot be easily traced to usersto a lesser extent sure, humans are social animals after all
>by making burner accounts and posting something valuable for examplea significant portion of reddit does not allow you to participate unless you have lots of their upvotes accumulated. burner accounts dont work for this. new accounts and low score accounts are also more often than not flagged automatically for moderation when posting at all. so this is not possible in practice, and I think its a bit ironic for you to be complaining about groupthink, when the penultimate example of groupthinking communities gets brought up. It may not be perfect, but anonymous imageboards are far and above forums with user accounts.
No.992
>>973Sure, they can be moralistic and have ideals they cling to but there's no ethics there and whatever values you find on those sites just aren't good when taken by themselves. e.g. emphasis on being contrarian, as amoral as the law will allow. sticking it the normies, and not giving a fuck by itself is a terrible rule to live by. If you take that to the extreme its just self-destructive.
No.994
>>988>But I can deny that this is an element of anonymous image boards specifically and not part of the broader human experience. That happens everywhere, to everyone, online and off.Sure, but a large role plays anonymity and the place in itself that fosters that behaviour.
> you dont fit with the culture, change or fit somewhere else. Maybe I expressed myself wrong there, obviously I don't expect 4chan to change according to my will alone, I search for places that I like, and avoid those I don't agree with. Having different cultures is nothing bad, for example I like this place here specifically for it, and don't want it to change into change into 4chan for the sake of attracting more people.
There is a difference between coming to a place and expecting it to change to your will, and being a regular and not wanting it to change into something I am not used to from that place.
Regarding reddit, I was also talking about forums in general, and like you say, some parts of reddit have those rules in place, not all of them. Avoid places like that, and my point still stands, based on a username alone you're not much more exposed than someone posting on an imageboard. I brought up groupthinking exactly because some act like there are worlds between a forum and an imageboard when in reality that's not the case at all, up/downvoting is groupthinking on a larger scale, but like I said, you also have that on imageboards, only in another way and not as obvious, either way it's ignorant to argue about a definitive way of what is "above" in the end, it depends on so much context.