No.517
I've been thinking about the rules the Haibane are supposed to live by. What do all these rules share? They are all things you either must do or are not supposed to do with your body. We generally don't think about our bodies that much but its pretty clear that even simple ways of sitting, standing, and walking are learned and become a habit to the point we don't even think about them. Many societies have developed sophisticated techniques of the body e.g. yoga, Taoist sex practices, Buddhist vinaya or even mundane things like boxing, wrestling etc. but for us this has become a faded concept, besides sport. We're generally told that (as long as we don't break the law) it doesn't matter what we do with our bodies, we can be good people despite how we dress, eat, who we sleep with. Techniques of the body aren't aimless. They are meant to achieve something e.g. escape from the cycle of rebirth or becoming a champion athlete. I wonder what the purpose is for the Haibane? It can't just be the day of flight. I guess its also an attitude to life? An emotional state?
Part of me wants to try living by Haibane rules to see what it does to you. I can't exactly work for free and not handle money and the walls rule doesn't apply so maybe its a bit of a pointless exercise? There are abandoned buildings nearby and I can go to thrift stores for clothes, but obviously the walls thing doesn't apply and there's no way I can just work for free and not handle any money so maybe its a pointless exercise?
No.518
To be quite honest I didn't understand what Haibane wanted to tell and some parts of it seemed very forced. So despite it being one of the most atmospheric and unique (in a good sense) anime out there, I have absolutely no idea what it was about.
No.520
>>518Abe has said he wants viewers to come away with their own interpretations instead of looking for a fixed message and that its about one girl's suffering and her salvation. Haibane isn't too different from regular fantasy that explores a character's personal journey except it has SOL elements and explores moral and religious themes and imagery, but in a loose way that's not chained to any specific set of ideas. Its the opposite of forced. You get themes that are vaguely explored but no conclusion because that's really up to you. Think of it as a sandbox to play around in rather than something that you have to get.
No.521
>>520>forcedI meant there was a scene or two about the suffering of the protagonist girl that didn't seem align with the plot. It was all very sudden and not very clear. For example, the well scene. It all happened suddenly and I didn't even understand what she was talking about with those ravens or ghosts (I don't remember).
No.522
>>521Rakka has a fascination with the crows around Glie, which is related to her cocoon dream. Her curiosity is what causes her to follow the crows into the woods and fall into the well. The dead crow finally reminds her of her cocoon dream, which features a crow trying to save her, and she comes away from this feeling guilt for the bird's death, convinced this is the reason she's sin bound and unworthy of suffering. This pushes her deeper into a spiral of despair for the rest of the show. Its an important turning point for the character even if the crow (or what it represents) isn't clear to us and is up to interpretation. Its ambigious.
No.523
>>522This is too much for somebody who's never studied philosophy. I can't wrap my mind around it at all, unfortunately.
No.524
What I do wonder about though is the story of the girl who tried her best to repair the clock. She clicked me the most of all.
No.525
Haibane Renmei isn't that deep really. Its just a nice show.
No.526
Nice? It's probably in top 10 if not in top 5 anime in its atmospheric niche. The only other I can name without thinking is Mushishi, though I am certain I saw at least one or two more that would qualify. Probably Girls' Last Tour among them..? My memory is a mess.
No.527
>>526I didn't mean to be dismissive. Its one of the best things I've ever seen.