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 No.2223

I finally got a LaserDisc player, I didn't know how good they looked. Shame it doesn't have S-Video out, but what can you do

 No.2225

LDs are literally falling apart due to disc rot. It's actually better to rip them and play the digital video files. There's a mad dash to backup LDs before they all die.

 No.2234

>>2225
Neat, will do. I mean, UY already has a very proper backup, but still.

 No.2235

>>2234
You should consider building a Domesday device if you plan on building an LD collection. It by-passes the analog out and takes its signal directly off the disc. That's why there has been an uptick in ripping LDs lately. We finally have a way to do it without the use of a capture card.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Azsk21MpbUk

Leaving this here because thread reminded me that it exists.

 No.2236

>>2235

Thankfully, this player has composite out, so I can stick with the Elgato. It's not as good as Domesday but it requires no modification and no soldering knowledge.

 No.2237

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>>2235

Not really necessary unless you are doing preservation quality rips. I would be completely shocked if someone hasnt ripped this show already considering how popular it was.

>>2223

What player do you have? I have 2 and oddly enough stuff looks better on my older proscan one.
My capture device messes up the aspect ratio leaving rips looking funny.

 No.2239

>>2236
>>2237
The UY LD have not been ripped since we have had plentiful DVD and BR releases of the series. It's probably just better

>I would be completely shocked if someone hasnt ripped this show already considering how popular it was.


lol. just lol

People are only now starting to do LD and 35mm fan transfers, and it's heavily focusing on smaller series and one-shot OVAs or films that never got proper DVD releases because LD are dying. A "big" series has a bunch of LD and a bunch of episodes, and they often have other releases so they're not bothering. Really, the people doing these kind of things are niche hobbyists.

Most major Hollywood films got LD releases. How many have LD rips? Almsot none.

 No.2240

>>2237

A Pioneer CLD-V760, which is one of their LaserKaraoke machines. Sadly, no remote, picture quality is pretty good though.

Capture devices always fuck up aspect ratios, that's unfortunately an inherent flaw with the NTSC analog video signal where they're 640x480 with a pixel aspect ratio of 0.909(ish) so it's actually 720x480 with overscan. I've managed to get pixel perfect results already with a really intensive deinterlacing and rescaling process.

>>2239
I thought I needed to intercept the RF signal, as in before it gets output, like replacing the PPU in a NES kind of deal. But yeah, if LDrips don't exist, I can make it happen. Quality's way noisier on account of it not being stored quite as well as it should be, but it's also a 40 year old LaserDisc, it's a miracle it works. I'll have a picture of how the quality looks like later, it is 1:40 AM where I am.

 No.2241

>>2239

Most hollywood LDs ive come across are rotted already, and having multiple discs for a single movie(which may have just one disc thats rotted or multiple)is alot more work than a single disc for an ova/episode.
Nobody is putting in the work yet but for most of them its already too late.
As for anime rot seemingly hasnt been as much of an issue from my experience with them.

>>2240

My device of choice captures 740x480 on composite and while some stuff you dont really notice it some you cant help but see it.

 No.2242

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Back from my adventure of ripping the discs.

In short, they're fucked. Oversaturation and a bad telecine leads to a ton of ghosting. I thought it might be my deinterlacer, but no, this is a constant issue - note that the top half of the frame of Ataru and Benten are from the previous film frame but the bottom half is from the current film frame. It's even worse if I deinterlace it to 60 FPS. I'm REALLY glad for the BDrips now, they're so good by comparison.

Oh, wait, we have a limit of 3 images per post, hold on, I'm gonna make them their own thing

 No.2243

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This is what almost every single frame looks like, old frame, updates the bottom half, then new frame. Or sometimes it's old frame, ghosting, new frame, or just a ton of ghosting. This wasn't terribly uncommon back in the day, but like… man, imagine paying 330,000 yen for this?

Oh, and the black bars are there in the video, I already accounted for overscan. You can see in the previous image, the BDrip has a bit more than the LDrip does.

 No.2244

Post a video comparison, the ghosting isnt something i get on every disc i play but some its really noticable on.

 No.2245

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>>2244

Why a video comparison when I can just upload the videos themselves? I mean, I presume you guys have the BDrips, that is.

UY 15 30 (655MB): https://drive.google.com/file/d/1Nq7CvyTPrlNW6QtyKiS9yDOv1Ej9-8L0/view?usp=drive_link

UY 15 60 (1.46GB): https://drive.google.com/file/d/1U2OK_ZuARuVJ7iJyXbcZCaET-TrzNInz/view?usp=drive_link

UY 16 30 (625MB): https://drive.google.com/file/d/1MKj4NMs7pZe_qGttMahrpWbH9vA0_BpJ/view?usp=drive_link

UY 16 60 (1.33GB): https://drive.google.com/file/d/1BfIMTaxBdYTDkGEe4v5VruqFqCyHeLYX/view?usp=drive_link

The videos are quite noisy, I thought it might be related to all the other crap I have connected to my recording setup, so 16 was recorded bypassing everything other than a distribution amplifier (i.e. my fancy-ass splitter so I can see the TV and on my capture card with full brightness), video signal is genuinely that noisy, this is probably where you use the Domesday. Not sure what's with the audio buzz, probably caused by ground loop? But its frequency is based on the video signal. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

 No.2246

>>2245

Because a) a short video(clip) says alot more than a still image for comparisons, and b) i aints got no google account to log into i cant even view these :p

The only real complaint i ever had from my laserdiscs was the distortion looking crap at the very top or bottom only during scene transitions on some, but not all, of them. I thought it was something on my end for a long time but ive seen it on modern releases of stuff also.

 No.2247

>>2246

You should be able to download these without a Google account, uploading these to my own domain name would take me way too long due to their ftp server being kinda ass but I can reupload these to mega, if you'd like?

 No.2248

>>2247

You dont have to do that, i just wanted to see a clip not the whole episode.
I put ripped clips of stuff in the /cel/ webm thread of stuff(not rumic related)every now and then i have but you cant really make comparisons with stuff that i scrunched down to fit into the filesize limits.

 No.2249

>>2248

Ah, oops, here's a 20 second clip of the 60 FPS deinterlace. Ideally, it should be hard cut like the blu-ray rip or maybe 1 frame of ghosting due to poor deinterlacing on my end (i.e. it wouldn't be visible on the 30 FPS version) but feel free to play it frame by frame, especially at the cow section, the source material is borked.

 No.2250

>>2242
>>2243
>>2245
domesday nigga.

 No.2251

>>2250

Domesday wouldn't fix Kitty Films's shitty mastering that's on the laserdisc itself, it would just give me a cleaner image

 No.2252

>>2249

I never tried to deinterlace anything ive ripped but for the most part you make it out to be worse than it really seems.
The clip looks fine for the most part imo, not preservation quality but probably looks fine on a tv screen.
I tried posting something for comparison but the post wouldnt load.

 No.2253

>>2251
Correct.

Domesday nigga.

 No.2254

>>2251
I can't say anything for sure without the LD. But since you're doing a "60fps deinterlace" I'm assuming you don't know how to telecine correctly. It's probably just as much of an issue with your process as it is with the source material. I haven't looked at the BDs of this show but considering how awful they do the telecine as well I'm going to bet they aren't much better.

 No.2255

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>>2249
This is a typical hard telecine/3:2 pulldown. The reason you're having issues is you need to run it through a detelecine filter to correctly get it back to 24fps with fields in proper order. You aren't seeing the top of one frame and the bottom of the next. You're seeing the fields changing every scan line during the 2 frames where multiple frames are combined in each set of 5 frames. This was done so the 24fps source material plays back at the correct speed for the 29.xxfps speed of NTSC video. This is just the typical film -> NTSC video telecine done on pretty much everything that was released on home video from the early VHS days up until today.

In fact, most modern BDs using these old sources for the upscale don't even bother doing the detelecine before they blow the frame up to 1080p+ and send it off to be pressed on the disc. There are so many shows where the BDs are not usable as a proper source because they didn't bother doing this. Then they did yet another telecine on top of the existing one for the BD release. Since BDs are still stuck with the old NTSC fame rate/standard and hard telecine is still being used for stupid reasons even though modern playback devices can do a soft telecine process where raw film (24fps) frame rate can be stored on disc and the player can do the telecine on the fly.

Long story short. You need to either use avisynth or vapoursynth with appropriate filters to get the frame rate back down to 24fps while pulling the out the correct fields for each frame. From what I see from that clip this LD is actually a decent telecine and not one of the really horrible ones where the pattern changes at every scene thus requiring manual flagging of individual frames instead of being able to do it automatically.

The Domesday would get rid of all the dot crawl and probably the wackiness happening with the colors as well. If not that's easy to deal with using proper filters. Which is most likely what was done with the BD release of this show. Since these studios are dumb and a bunch destroyed the original tapes years ago.

Very few studios are going back to the original tapes to 're-master' their stuff and release it as "HD". Most are doing a simple upscale using either LD, VHS or DVD sources. Since the average consumer knows nothing about video quality and is willing to pay for warmed over garbage.

I don't know why they refuse to hire anyone competent to do this sort of work (or subtitling/translation). I guess everyone with skills isn't willing to work for the salary they're paying. Or they refuse to hire gaijin for these jobs. I've never seen any native Japanese hanging around the usual hang outs where this type of software is discussed and created. I could go on all day about how horrible the work in the industry is with BD releases and how ignorant the people doing it must be about basic concepts. Suffice to say most of the BDs coming out are so bad you're better off finding an old analog source and starting from that instead. Then doing your own upscale if you really want it in 720p/1080p. The results you get are much much better. The only redeeming feature of modern BD releases are the increased bitrates compared to the DVD-era stuff. Which was also generally bad. But not as bad as what they're doing today.

Hence why LDs and VHS/VTR sources are so highly desired. They don't suffer from the lack of bitrate with digital sources. So at least you aren't fighting against the encoder shitting itself on top of whatever else is wrong with it.

I don't understand how they manage to mess up BDs so badly with the encoder. There should be amble bits with them releasing so few episodes on a disc. But they all use some kind of filter to inject artificial grain that eats bitrate like nothing else. Then they refuse to tune the encoder to deal with quick scene changes and colors that eat a lot of bits (mostly reds). So the end result ends up looking really really bad.

Oh one last thing. This issue with fields/frames doesn't matter on your CRT in the first place. Since it's displaying fields instead of full frames at 29.xxFPS. Hence why telecine works in the first place. It only becomes an issue when you "digitize" it and attempt to play it back on a modern display device and/or CRT hooked up to a system attempting to output true 24fps/30fps.

 No.2256

>>2255
Easier to show an image of the process than to describe it. This is what I mean by a telecine. You take 4 frames of film and spread it over 5 frames of NTSC video. Since a CRT alternated scan lines when you play back those 5 frames of video on a NTSC CRT it properly displays the 4 actual frames of film correctly and keeps the audio in-sync with the video track.

As for why we have this stupid problem in the first place. Way back in the black and white TV days the NTSC standard was created and 30fps was decided on as the rate of play back. I won't bore you with all the reasons for why it's different than 24fps film. I'll just leave it at that's how things are. Then later on when they added color to NTSC they slightly reduced the frame rate to 29.97fps. The 0.03fps is where the color signal lives.

When we moved over to LCD "HD" televisions we had a chance to do away with this dumb frame rate for good. But so many legacy sets were still in use and so much of the hardware in the industry was already using 29.97fps that it was decided to stick with it. So we're probably never getting anything else. On modern hardware it's possible to have true 30fps frame rate with color of course. This is usually used for things like CGI and credits. Which ends up being a huge pain because a lot of shows combine 24fps as 29.97fps with 3:2 pulldown telecine with full 30fps sections. Which requires either manually slowing down the 30fps sections, speeding up the 24fps sections by inserting duplicate frames or mixing frame rates together in the same container (aka VFR). Most people settled on slowing down the 30fps sections to 24fps. Hence why CGI portions look jerky in a lot of modern encodes. Then there are a bunch of raw providers that rip Japanese TV that just said fuck it and sped everything up to 60fps with duplicate frames everywhere to get around the same problem.

Sorry for encoder autism. This is a useless skill that I should have never learned in the first place. Since the vast majority of people can't tell the difference anyway and the industry certainly doesn't give a damn about doing things properly either. So it just led to a lot of frustration because now I nitpick every show I download, watch or buy. If you think things are bad in the disc world you haven't seen anything yet. Broadcast is so much worse.

 No.2257

>>2256
>I won't bore you with all the reasons for why it's different than 24fps film
Actually, I will bore you since I've posted so much already. The reason NTSC is 30fps/29.97fps is due to the fact that the grid in America ran at 60hz. The television gets its timing from the 60hz on the power grid. This is also why PAL regions run at 25fps instead of 30/29.97fps. Since their grid is 50hz.

So you see. The fps is half of the the hz the grid is running at. There are places like Japan where they have funky grid running at differ hertz in different places of the country. They get around the problem with converters and other methods. There are also various sub-standards like NTSC-U vs. NTSC-J. But in general the fps stays the same when you're in the same family and there are only slight differences in how they do things for broadcasting purposes.

Be thankful you're in NTSC land instead of PAL land. In PAL land instead of spreading the 24fps film source over more frames they just sped up the audio track. So everything from PAL world in the analog days was slightly sped up and the audio sounded wrong. But when it's all you know/can watch you don't really notice. The difference in the frame rate speeds is also why their video game consoles were clocked slightly slower than the Japan/American counterparts. Which I'm sure anyone that's played a PAL version of a game back to back against the NTSC has noticed. Games like Sonic for the Megadrive are particular painful in that respect.

Video is fun isn't it?

I'm sure this disc has probably been ripped before but it's still worth checking to see if anyone is requesting it. As you might have a better disc than whatever one they had to work with. Whenever you buy an LD you should check around to see if anyone is wanting to rip them. Since a lot of modern BDs/DVDs are horrible or the LDs have additional content that's either been lost or is a better master than what was available in other formats.

There is a big resurgence of people wanting to re-rip VHS and LDs at the moment because of the Domesday device and whatever the one for VHS is called. We can pull the RF signal off these now without analog conversion. Which allows us to pull much higher quality rips off the media. Pretty much everything needs to be re-ripped now before this old analog media is gone for good. So many original fansubs for 70s-90s era shows need to be ripped against off first gen VHS tapes before they're lost forever. At the very least the scripts stored on them are valuable and should be preserved for future generations.

 No.2258

>>2251
yes, the main problem is on their end. But that's why a domesday is still preferred, even if it wasn't a very good transfer so you can get the most crystal clear image of their bad transfer. I think all these old LD should be preserved just because, even if there's no real need for it.

 No.2259

>>2252

I typically use this deinterlacer for video game footage and it makes every frame clear, none of this blended frame shit, and it worked great on old VHS/Video8/Hi8 footage too. It also does look exactly this shit on my CRT, it was actively distracting.

>>2254

I did 30 FPS first and then 60 to make sure that the deinterlacer wasn't introducing any additional issues. If the deinterlacer was causing issues, any sort of 60 FPS video would be adding a bit of A->B blending, but that would be A clear, A-B bad, B clear. Here, it's A-AAB-AB-ABB-B; I think the graph at >>2256 explains my problem perfectly, that I'm getting BC-CD blending, and the deinterlacer is making it worse. I would have preferred them to just do A-B-C-D-D instead, but we get what we get.

>>2257

Hehe, I grew up in SECAM signal but PAL import land, I was lucky to get shit working in colour.

I still do have the original interlaced .mpg files though, busted aspect ratio and all (sadly don't have any proper lossless capture devices, I wanted to get that Micomsoft one back in the day, but no money then). If you want to try your hand with avisynth, you should, I definitely did not try to rip out the blended frames that way before trying to convert to MP4.

Episode 15: https://drive.google.com/file/d/1ebRPk4tBnTrLhEemxHDHnVd21gNPtLkY/view?usp=drive_link

Episode 16: https://drive.google.com/file/d/1C2dIQ0SDVsAvBuvlPXJQQWvu58c7UEQl/view?usp=drive_link



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