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 No.4392

I've often seen people discuss Oniisama E and other retro shoujo manga like it as stories about lesbianism which praise its "representation" while at the same time faulting it for implying lesbianism is just a phase or in Rei's case it leads to death. So its somehow gay and homophobic and about homophobia at the same time. Lazy internet speculation gets even dumber when they see the sisterly relationship between Miya and Rei as homosexual incest. There's literally nothing in the manga or anime that points to that. Its just a sibling rivalry.

What Oniisama E actually shows are S kankei/class S relationships: romantic friendships between school girls that were seen as a prep phase for marriage with a guy. These were normal and socially acceptable in pre-war Japan and hyped up in women's literature. They aren't equivalent to lesbianism or proto-lesbian. In both the anime and the manga, the majority of the characters are also romantically involved with men and the same gender romances are almost always between older females and younger girls who meet in school. None of these girls are lesbian, they aren't exclusively attracted to women.

All of this stems from misinterpreting Japanese culture and taking things out of context. People wind up faulting another culture for not meeting their expectations. I figure what's really interesting about this is how the whole class S phenomenon shows us how romance didn't always operate by the hetero/homo dualism of the West and much of modern Japan and the weird cultural traditions that got sidelined by that dualism. There's something about shoving 21st century idpol onto a 1970s manga that pisses me off. Maybe I'm just being pedantic? Yeah Yeah Ranma Saotome is non binary despite that idea not even existing when Rumiko put pen to paper. I'm sick of it.

 No.4393

The internet is filled with crazies and there is nothing you can do except try to filter them or leave the sites they're on.
No use arguing with them.

 No.4409

>>4393
>The internet is filled with crazies … No use arguing with them.
Yup. People on the internet absolutely love to take a wholly surface level understanding of art, misunderstand things into a form that validates their existing biases, and boil down complicated things into an easily understood series of tropes. Just enjoy the things you like for what they are and ignore the retards.

 No.4411

kindmin really needs to bring back the vent thread lol gotta admire OP's autism

>>4409
I usually think people should be able to interpret things how they want but I get it. I also get pissed off when people interpret stuff in surface level ways but why? Am I a hypocrite?

 No.4623

>>4392
Interesting OP. Do you have any other sources about that? Like, school girls of the 70s showing this kind of romantic friendships?

I did always find this one line from Patlabor a tad strange and naive but attributed it more to Noa just sort of missing the deeper meaning behind it as opposed to it being a real thing that happens in Japan.

 No.4625

>>4392
This whole culture traces itself to the english lit and media studies departments on universities, and then it spread to tumblr, then to twitter. Under this model, everything, including every piece of media, is secretly political and is either furturing bigoted biases or fighting them. Humans do not create their own viewpoints, rather they are constructed by power, and that can be manifested in everything from education to a children's cartoon. They mostly get this from Michel Foucault and 70s French authors.

So when they start babbling about "representation matters" THIS is the theory they're referring to: social construction of predudice via entertainment media. Thus you counter it via positive "representation".

Thus OP you are encountering huge tremendous losers and idiots and posers. Do not take heed of them. They're morons.

 No.4628

>>4623
There's a summary of it in the intro of this paper.
https://www.academia.edu/44577315/Class_S_appropriation_of_lesbian_subculture_in_modern_Japanese_literature_and_New_Wave_cinema

>Like, school girls of the 70s showing this kind of romantic friendships?

I'm not sure. This romantic behavior developed in boarding schools for upper and middle class girls after the Meiji reforms. Japan began to move to mostly co-ed schooling after WW2 so I doubt to still exists except as a trope in media? Idk other waps (and obviously Japanese) probably know more than me.

>>4625
I don't see the connection. Foucault believed homosexuality was a modern invention and that the idea of sexual repression was a myth. People who look for gay and lesbian identity in everything, believe that these identities are natural, and that society has repressed them are promoting an idea Foucault opposed. He wasn't a fan of gay identity politics, warning that it would lead to sameness. And while he did think power shapes everything, his theory of power is a lot more nuanced than that.

 No.4631

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hello wapons
for a couple of years, ive been into initial d, however i cannot find any merch stores! only thing ive seen and bought is some lappel pins in korea (no img sowwy)

 No.4636

>>4631
The Initial D Merch is going onto car auction sites to find a 90's AE86. Better start a swear jar.



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