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News Thread ranchan Admin 11/04/2022 (Fri) 15:57:42 No. 713
I redid the front page/top of board news to be pulled from threads, so all future site news will be posted here. Feel free to give feedback/responses , since only staff posts will be shown on the front page.
Edited last time by ranchant on 11/07/2022 (Mon) 18:30:00.
Please change 04.sbs on the links page to use http instead of https. https just gives an error when you try using it.
Even though I labeled this site "feature complete", there's still a lot of roughness - I kind of rushed the new UI onto the site without actually polishing it, so the next few updates will be focused around this. First of all, the quick reply menu was done to be more compact (modeled after 4chan X). The gallery interface now has instructions and an exit button, and I've been doing some stylistic tweaks to themes, mostly for better readability. A few of the themes (art, chill) will be totally redone because they're really raw at the moment, and mu's theme will get a major revamp. >>994 Fixed
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When trying to post the pop up reply box give me "captcha can only be 6 letters" despite only typing 6 letters. The reply box at the top of thread post with no issue.
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>>996 Thats' strange, just tested it and it worked. There is an issue where sometimes the first captcha loaded will say it's expired/wrong though, so I'll look into that.
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Finally got around to making a few new banners, as well as putting them on the banner page. Also, this is still "ranchan", I just figured I should use the same name I use across the rest of the net (only used ranchan because I was worried about getting doxxed ages ago)
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I don't really have any news to give, but it's the 1000th meta post! Check out the doodles by the way, there's been some real cool art posted recently.
>>1000 That's a good thing. Also, is it me or did the traffic on the site increase for real?
>>1001 I am not going to post my art here if I will just get permabanned on a whim. Glownigger trainees just can't seem to help themselves.
>>1002 Don't really give out permabans much anymore except to CP bots. But I'd appreciate if you posted in good faith and didn't fill your messages with slurs, we're trying to keep things comfy here.
>>1003 I heard the same thing from every other imageboard LARPing about community and comfiness. I post in good faith, faggots move in and shit up every thread with politics and coomer spam, yet i'm the one who gets permabanned in the end for merely reporting them.
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>>1004 We aren't the first board to go on and on about "comfiness", I'll give you that. But since day one we've banned politics and NSFW content is limited (early on some users asked for a hentai board which I struck down because moderating that would be a nightmare), and we've had a pretty low amount of bans aside from the automated spammers. I'm just trying to make a nice site for people to post about some niche topics.
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Hi all. I was reading the kissu imageboard happenings thread ( https://kissu.moe/qa/thread/4165 ), and some of the recent posts were talking about lynx UI design, especially on using a sidebar focused UI, especially this comment in regards to hikari3 >Is amazing how empty some imageboards feel without a sidebar. >Like lynx stuffs everything into a comment box or hides it away behind an icon, kissu makes it all just stand out at a glance. I always know what I'm doing and where I'm going. Lots of features, but they're all right in front of you. >It's a well styled site, but it doesn't make me feel like I have any competition in terms of usability and community management. Now I've used lynx mostly because it's got good moderation tools, and we're way too small to consider writing our own backend, but the frontend design is pretty flexable. Anyways, I thought this was funny, because when I switched to using a tiling WM full time last November (qtile), I actually also switched to using side tabs as opposed to being at the top of the browser, and honestly, having the site UI be at the side makes a lot of sense in the same wawy that tabs on the side do. So I'm going to do some work on the test server and come up with a side UI. This isn't the same as frames, mind you - it'll be full featured, and hopefully more streamlined than the current UI (The mobile UI will also be a bit redesigned). I'm also going to work on reducing all the redundant elements in the UI, so things look cleaner! Just like the CSS rewrite, you can come on test.wapchan.org to give things a shot while I refine it.
>>1008 Unrelated, but I've noticed some font visibility problems floating around the various CSS stylesheets. For instance, greentext is nearly impossible to read on Shrine, or Book gives me black text on a grey textbox in the reply box. Classic Yotsuba B works well enough so that's what I'll stick with, but you might want to look at some of those cases.
>>1005 Seems true to that policy so far. Doesn’t seem like much activity happens here at all.
>>1011 It's hard to say what can really be done about that becides asking users to tell others about it. I'm doing another round of work on the UI to make it more usable in general, especially on mobile, and help the site stand out, as well as building a nice board based on a concept from a site that's no longer running, but I obviously can't just overengineer this site forever. I've been thinking of making some of the boards more broad and having less of them (especially the interest boards), and maybe putting more focus on the doodle site (which is about as active as the entire rest of the site put together).>>1011
>>1012 Quick reply seems as broken as it is on anon.cafe. Where it wont accept a captcha entry from quick reply. You could merge a few boards together as they fit similar themes and are about as active as a single thread or two.
>>1013 qr test
>>1013 seems this is specifically a mobile problem. will take a look
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here's a very rough overview of the sidebar, only really having the "latest posts" functionality implemented. had to mess around with the lynx backend to get the dates to work, and hovering over the latest posts now pulls up a preview, just like backlinks on threads. feel free to mess around with it on https://test.wapchan.org blogpost below on a more personal note, i am beginning to run out of steam when it comes to actually working on this site as much as i have so far - part of that may be due to how impersonal everything feels. i like the anon format, but for a site this slow and small it's really not doing it any favors. a lot of it is probably just me being sick of having to do everything. i tend to hoist responsibility on myself and eventually get burned out as a result. wapchan isn't my first project that's like this. it's tough because i want to spend less time sitting at my computer and my phone typing away, move more focus into my creative passions, reading, hiking, video editing - other stuff. especially living a healthier lifestyle. working on this site at 3am when i have a job at 8am isn't sustainable. but this is extremely difficult because i (and the few jannies) have to log on constantly because some degenerate cp bot will have posted again and i'll have to go in and delete it and report it. day after day. i don't want to spend my fucking life moderating pizza. maybe i'll modify the lynx backend to take md5 hashes so i can load a fuckton from 4plebs and desuarchive, since FoolFuuka (the software behind most ib archives) has an api where you can pull all their banned hashes. >what does this mean for wapchan not much, really. the site isn't going anywhere. i just wanted to express how i was feeling.
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>>1016 Hi all, Hope you didn't mind the melancholy earlier. Anyways, I've been thinking of consolidating the boards for now. The site just isn't active enough to warrant all these boards existing, since it makes the place feel empty. >Merge /cel/, /digi/ and /rumi into /ani/ >Merge /pixl/ and /th/ into /vid/ >Merge /art/, /lit/, and /mu/ into /media/ This would reduce the number of boards from 12 to 7 - and the site focus would still be on old stuff. Personally, I'd like having less boards if they're faster, especially since we don't currently have separate board owners - so its hard for me to give enough attention to each of them. Let me know how you feel about this.
>>1017 I think that's good idea, many IB's make the mistake of 'too many boards' early on so consolidate when possible, and obviously it's up to you but I would hesitate to consolidate the last 3: art lit and mu should stay their own things, even if they get low traffic, they have have distinct vibes. from my personal using habits, I'll always go to the /mu/ board when I visit an ib, it's nice have all the music in one place, the same with lit, these are very specialized interests that have something very specific to say about your community.
>>1017 It's a good idea!
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The boards have been packed in. Hopefully this inspires more discussion! More UI work to follow.
>>1022 It feels a lot more organized and clean now!
>>1022 you should bring /cel/ and /aught/ back. combining the others was a good idea, but a place to exclusively talk about 2000s or 80/90s anime is what gave this site personality.
>>1024 I understand, but I'd like to give this a shot for now. a2k/digi had only around 200 or so posts in more than a year of being up. The board is still retro for the most part (besides remakes) it's just a bit broader, and you can talk about the same topics.
>>1022 I feel like some of the boards are a bit too condensed, but I think for now this is ideal for having slow growth. If any one topic dominates a board you could always make a board to splinter it off like the old days.
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>>1026 Test
>>1027 Well that worked, something was off about quick reply. Anyway as I was saying seems like /ar/ is gone and now it’s just essentially /a/2.0 except much more positive and not nearly as shitposty or cynical as /a/ today(which I honestly don’t understand why they think that way) but I do fear on the long run this move could result in Wapchan’s loss of its original identity. I will I say do absolutely applaud you guys for outright banning frog and jak posting, that alone will do good for this site on the long run
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>>1025 I thought the point of the site was to be a pre-2k place and you only threw up a /dig/ board to catch the occasional post discussion spill over. Naturally the post-2k would have low post count because people came here to post about pre-2k anime. Not criticizing you just thats what i thought.
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>>1024 >>1028 It's more like the other boards were merged with /ar/. I don't want this to be a long term solution. >>1029 That is how it started, the only real issue with that was that the low activity was turning people off from regularly posting, so the site topics were gradually expanded, but the activity still wasnt high. Don't worry about criticizing me either - I'm just some guy trying to make random people post on some niche board, so the feedback is appreciated. This is honestly just me trying something different to potentially get the site more active without compromising it's identity. It's not a good sign when there's like 5 separate threads on here about "how can we get this place to be active". Maybe if we had users who wanted to manage a specific board or coordinate events that would also help a lot - I haven't done a watch p/ar/ty in ages, so maybe I can start trying to do them again too. It seems like the merging of the anime boards was by far the most controversial change though, understandably so since these boards are the core of the site, so I made a poll if you want them to be split again. http://poal.me/cwsglf
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Thanks to the five of you that voted. It seems the change was really unpopular, so the boards will be split again. I'm gonna be messing around with stuff less for a while and work on other projects and the UI changes. If you believe in the potential of this little site, share it around or just post a lot, since an active board is a healthy board. Also, I'd like to star doing monthly watch p/ar/ties again - let me know if you all are around on the 29th or 30th, as well as viewing suggestions.
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It is with a heavy heart that we say goodbye to /kind/. Kindmin was always a friend to wapchan and to myself - in fact he volunteered to be one of our jannies a while back, and his version of /kind/ was somewhere that you could truly take it easy. Unfortunately, running an anonymous board is time consuming, demoralizing (especially when dealing with spam), and I fully understand his reluctance to use heavy moderation when trying to shape the board culture (it is something I struggle with as well). I will setup a refuge board for the time being, since kind (and previously 2kind) have been long time friends of wapchan at this point, and I would hate to see the board's culture vanish altogether. If someone (kindmin or otherwise) would like to help take care of this, message me at [email protected]. Otherwise, I wish him the best of luck in his future endeavors.
>>1039 >board what spam kind people dont spam. and he blocks a ton
>>1039 Never was an active user on /kind/ but I likes there were places like this and appreciate you keep the flame here. Wapchan is a comfy chan and hosting a /kind/ board is a good decision for the kindanons refugees.
>>1039 Never used /kind/ at all sadly, but will post on the /kind/ board whenever I see some traffic there.
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Hi all, I'm thinking of taking a break from coming to this site so often for a bit, mostly because I've been spending way too much time on boards and not enough time living my life. To be clear, wapchan's not shutting down, but I've been thinking about what's next for wap - maybe a different site format other than imageboard? I've thought about this before: >Cleaning up CSAM sucks, and it's not something I (and the jannies) want to do forever. >There's no easy way to auto moderate this. These predators just change a pixel and now I've got to apply a whole new hashban >The whole altchan sphere just isn't terribly great in my opinion, there's a lot of extreme stuff out there that sickens me or that I just don't care for. Keeping this site independent of "the webring" and other boards has worked well, but we still get spam from other sites unrelated to that. Cutting ties with "chan culture" might be the best path forward. Above all though, I'd like to make this place a community, not just a collection of threads. Maybe a forum could work - we already operate much closer to one than we do to most imageboards, and being able to kill the anonymous CSAM problem once and for all would make me personally a lot more willing to recommend this site to others, because let's face it - with IPV6, I'm going to be playing wack a mole forever with VPNs and mobile IPs, and this board isn't my whole life. Would accounts drive away some people? Definitely, but it's not like having an account means you gotta doxx yourself. I'd like us to be somewhere both different from mainstream social media and the chans, but still being a retro community. I'm going to ruminate on this for a while, maybe a week or two. I'll still be visiting to clean up spam. Feedback/suggestions are welcome as always. EDIT: spelled "recommended" wrong, lol
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>>1049 Turning the site into a fourm seems like a good idea, as this site is basically an anonymous forum. I feel like there would be more of a sense of a small community here if everyone had an identifiable username, the anonymous nature of altchans can work for some sites but I don't think it suits wapchan well. I also feel like turning this site into a fourm could give this place a more "retro" feel like old 2000's anime discussion sites. User registration might make it harder for bots to spam as well, I'm not totally sure as I've never ran a site before. If you were to change the style of this site from an anonymous image board to a forum I would hope the CSS for the boards were kept, as I think they're really sick! I like this little site and I hope it can grow more soon. (maybe I should stop lurking so much and post more heh)
>>1049 Do want you want man. I for one will still be here at least.
>>1049 I'll still be here regardless of your decision, but I think we should stay an imageboard. This site is just a little over a year old, I think switching to a forum would be a bit too radical of a change for such a young site. And just because we're an "altchan" doesn't mean we have to have anything to do with "extreme stuff", there are traditional forums that are also "extreme" so I don't think that really makes a difference in that regard. If you do decide to switch to a forum, I definitely agree with >>1050 that it should still look the same as the current imageboard format. If CSAM is the main issue, and hiring more jannies doesn't help, perhaps you could just require accounts for posting images but leave text-only posting untouched? In case you are open to more jannies, I'm going to resend my application I sent ages ago.
I can sympathize with not wanting to deal with spam and the bad reputation *chan sites have tended to develop, but I'm not sure if I would stick around if I had to post under a persistent identity. Hidden registration, maybe, since site admins can already see IP addresses anyway. But if I wanted to post on a traditional forum I'd be doing that.
>>1054 >Hidden registration, maybe, since site admins can already see IP addresses anyway. That sounds like a more appealing option than persistent identities to me.
Is it possible to run an imageboard that requires accounts for posting while still being anonymous? Does lynxchan or others have this functionality? Can the same be done for forums? anonymous posting?
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First of all, I'd like to welcome our newest friend site, SheepishPatio. They're a small hobby forum. Thank you to Lumeinshin for reaching out! Anyways, I've been reading all the feedback about the future of this site, and I'm probably gonna stay the course and keep this site as an anonymous imageboard. Also, the staff application page was missing for a while, I've added it back on the front page. If you would like to help keep this site running, please consider applying. >>1053 Somehow I never got this the first time you sent it, but I responded just now. >>1054 Totally understandable. >>1056 Both of these are possible if needed/desired in the future. I will try and fix the quick reply box soon.
>>1049 >There's no easy way to auto moderate this. These predators just change a pixel and now I've got to apply a whole new hashban When I get good at programming I'm going to make an AI image filter that prevents frogs, 'jaks, or nudity from being uploaded to imageboards or forums (or anyone who wants to use it).
>>1049 The only long term solution is accounts to post images. In addition, you can do trust levels with those accounts. https://blog.discourse.org/2018/06/understanding-discourse-trust-levels/ I would be happy to help you, though it depends on the tech stack (should be enjoyable to work with). I can create another GitHub profile and work through GitHub. I thought to reach out through a post here rather than a formal email. I think often about creating my own forum but I don't like the idea of hosting and being a janny. This seems like a nice compromise.
>>1059 Of course, everything remains anonymous still. It's just an "account" which verifies you're human effectively.
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>>1060 Hi all, Hope everyone's doing alright. The /kind/ folks have settled in nicely, being by far the most active board we've had probably all year, and I hope they stick around for the long term. I wonder what's next for this site, since I personally don't want it to feel stale, probably why I keep floating ideas to change it. Maybe we could focus on specific authors or works to dial in the conversation more, or even have part of the site covering related news? Let me know what you all think. By the way - no idea who this character is in this piece by Yuji Moriyama (it's not A-ko), but you can always count on him to deliver some damn fine character designs.
>>1069 >Part of the site covering related news What you mean by that?