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Macross is fucking stupid anon 07/18/2022 (Mon) 20:02:02 No. 1463 [Reply]
Are we really supposed to believe that hardened soldiers are going to defy their superior officers, whom they've been conditioned to fear all their lives, to defect to an enemy they've been conditioned to hate all their lives, just for the sake of some shitty pop songs? That would be like the Norks or Talibans defecting to the United States in mass because of Taylor Swift. And why would anyone in that situation even give a shit about gay idol drama anyway? They're supposed to be fighting for their lives, stranded in the outer solar system millions of the nearest supply base, and yet they have not only the available resources but also the audience for this garbage? Or that the chief archivist whose supposedly spent his entire life studying combat footage, wouldn't notice that a goddamn martial arts movie was clearly faked? Actually zentradi in general seem pretty dim, the infiltration team is able to speak perfect Japanese with no effort, but somehow remain clueless about every other aspect of Terran culture. They really should have been caught right away, especially since they acted like total buffoons and Hayase actually saw them in the miclone chambers. The way they handle romance was also pretty dumb. At most civilian workplaces its frowned upon for officers to engage in relationships, let alone in the military. And then there's the whole romance between Max and Milia. "I tried to kill you an hour ago, let's get married!"Yeah, right. How is this garbage considered a classic in any way? My eight year old sister could come up with a better mecha show.
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Gundam is even worse with this shit because it actually tries to be serious.
>>1495 >ZZ
>>1495 >ZZ
>>1463 wait you mean people watch it for reasons other than lineart?
>>1495 Which Gundam series are you talking about? I won't accept any slander of classic UC! Or the The Origin manga!

Adachi Thread anon 01/08/2022 (Sat) 15:11:23 No. 39 [Reply]
Have (you) read his works?
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>>832 part of the waptv thursday block is Miyuki, which was adachi's first manga to be adapted and feels distinct from his later works due to not being primarily based around sports. you should check it out
In preparation for the first in a series of videos about Adachi, I just watched Nine: The Original. It's interesting seeing an earlier version of the style he's come to be famous for, as most of the core elements were already there. I really enjoyed seeing Katsuya overcome his earlier struggles picking up baseball, even with his prior track experience, and Yukimi showing up halfway through to throw a wrench in Katsuya and Yuri's budding love kept it interesting throughout. The animation is nothing stunning, but the chase sequence with Yukimi reminded me of Take On Me. Definitely worth a watch if you have a spare evening.
I read Touch a year or so ago and really liked it. Haven't seen the anime though, and I plan to read Rough later down this month.
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Video's up on Nine! https://youtu.be/ZvjghVlCazw
>>39 I loved Touch and H2. I enjoyed Cross Game and Mix, but don't feel that they lived up to the legacy. Probably an unpopular opinion. OP 4 of Touch always hits me RIGHT where it hurts. "Hitoribocchi no duet"... what a name, what an image. https://yewtu.be/watch?v=zLHt0Yo6TZc

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Arbegas anon 08/02/2022 (Tue) 02:36:34 No. 1517 [Reply]

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Happy Odaiba Day!

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Slayers anon 01/21/2022 (Fri) 22:56:57 No. 304 [Reply]
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>>1433 It is the peak of pre digital 90s aesthetics. As an anime to me it's kind of a precursor to early digital fem led comedies. Saber Marionette J, Nadesico, Excel Saga etc. Though those are obviously deteriorated versions of the theme. I wouldn't recommend any of them unless you are into lazy lol random totally-not-harem stuff. I can recommend a few of it's contemporaries. Lodoss War may not be good but it's really nice to watch if you are into the style. But in truth, all the good animation in the pre digital era was consigned to OVAs (movies or one season stuff like Bubblegum Crisis. Watch Bubblegum Crisis.) or mainstream shonen/seinen megaproductions ie ranma. You'll be hard pressed to find good series that aren't a cliche fest that hides it through eye candy. People tend to forget how young modern serialized anime standards are. I mean character dynamics, tropes, comedy. Stuff from 91, 92, 93 looks more in place with 80s trends. And not to diss 80s animated serials, but they were some of the cheapest stuff you could find, their one good thing was the line art, which in my opinion few 90s or modern series can measure to, but 80s OVAs had great line art too and were better in general. I think the cut off year for most people's tolerance would be 94. Anything before will be hard to watch. And Slayers, having nothing to innovate with, shows it's age. >This is the first one I've really felt this from Lesson of the day: Small Japanese companies can be incredibly scummy. Specially when subcontracted as they won't even bother to get their hands on the original masters (or worse, be denied access). A proper pre digital 720p or 1080p should be looking clean like this, DVD rip quality iirc: https://archive.org/details/zeta-gundam-720p-eng-sub/Z+Gundam/Zeta+Gundam+-+Ep+01+-+The+Black+Gundam.mp4

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>>1433 Well I finished Next, and you know what. It was quite good. Slayers can have its low points but it really can up the stakes right at the end, especially when you're watching this lighthearted adventure for a majority of it, only to see Lina kill a undead child, Xellos screaming as he loses an arm and Phibrizo killing all of the supporting cast one by one with no effort. It's stuff like this that really makes Slayers feel a bit different since it's always the light hearted comedy for the most part until someone REALLY wants to fuck shit up. It reminded me slightly of Yu Yu Hakusho near the end, unstoppable forces that the main characters need to defeat with both Phibrizo and Gaav reminding me of Toguro a bit. I liked that about them, they were surprisingly ruthless and seeing character just get brutally hurt or die was actually quite shocking. Especially when you've seen them hit a wall or be knocked out before, only for blood to start spewing from them now. I enjoyed Gaav a lot and wished he stuck around longer, seeing him die to Phibrizo was a little underwhelming (would've preferred if Lina's Gigaslave was "delayed") but they had to introduce the real antagonist so I'm not fussed. Episode wise, I do very much enjoy the episodes that didn't relate to the main plot much at all. The tennis episode, the episode with the all female city and the doll episode were really cool and some great episodes on the side, but once it started to pick up and fights with the demon lords became more common I began to really enjoy it more. Character wise, I liked them all pretty much, they continue to be great. Was very fun to see Sylphiel and Zangulus come back, and actually felt a chill down my spine when that guy appeared after Gourry was turned against the party, never thought I'd see him again and working with the heroes. My only complaint was that I would've liked it if the supporting cast didn't feel as useless as they did. Sure, Lina is meant to save the day but I would've preferred everyone being able to go toe-to -toe with the demon lords only for them to really show their true power. I would've liked it if Martina was some sort of wildcard who could turn a situation around once or twice with Zoamelgustar even if it is made up, she did will a curse into actually working so having *some* form to Zoamelgustar would've been interesting through her own psychosis, in particular with how people would have no fucking clue how to react to it. But I guess I'm just a sucker for comic relief characters proving they're more than they are so I always say this about them. I love the music in the anime as well, it sounded very similar to Pokémon in a lot of the tracks, but I guess listening to the dub also doesn't help separate the two much for me. Hearing the heroically comedic "Only To Go Ahead Believing Myself" track as the heroes walk around discussing mundane things, or "The Door Of The Battle" as fights are about to begin to really pump you up or hell just hearing the Dragon Slave music is just great. I can tell a lot of effort went into the music so I'm glad for that. Overall, Next was definitely better than the previous season and can see why people call it the peak, it does suffer from a few boring parts and overall "generic-ness" of the show can't be denied, but it has charm and is enjoyable if you're up for it. Next up is Try (or possibly the movie, I haven't decided) but at that point I'm not sure if it'd be cool to talk about them since they go beyond the pre-2000s defined era, might just make one final post in a month or so when I'm done with the whole series about my thoughts.
>>1438 >I can recommend a few of it's contemporaries. Lodoss War may not be good but it's really nice to watch if you are into the style. It's on the PTW, I'll get around to it one day. I imagine it's a lot more serious though. >all the good animation in the pre digital era was consigned to OVAs (movies or one season stuff like Bubblegum Crisis. Watch Bubblegum Crisis.) True! I've seen BGC and it's really good. OVA's really were amazing back in the 80s, so much animation was put into them and it's a shame you don't see it much anymore. >I think the cut off year for most people's tolerance would be 94. Anything before will be hard to watch. What do you mean animation wise or general quality wise? People wouldn't find the animation appealing enough to watch or the general tone/characters/plots? >Lesson of the day: Small Japanese companies can be incredibly scummy. Specially when subcontracted as they won't even bother to get their hands on the original masters (or worse, be denied access). I just assumed they were lost or something, a shame it was just scummy companies handling the Blu-rays.
>>1443 > I imagine it's a lot more serious though. It's pretty much a straightforward D&D campaign. Suffers from a the same "nothing new" problem Slayers have, but it can be peak comfy. >and it's a shame you don't see it much anymore. The digital revolution destroyed animation in all countries sadly. That's not to say -nobody- tries. I'm sorta a pretentious ITS CALLED SEQUENTIAL ART fag but even I recognize Kimetsu No Yaiba looks quite good. But in general be it USA, France or Japan, 2d animation has gone under. Japan is famous for cutting corners while still making their animation look good. But in recent years it's been less "cutting corners" and more "removing the foundation". I'm still mad the Jinjo Ito's Souichi anime looked so bad >What do you mean animation wise or general quality wise? Content wise, unless you are watching really cheap children's series or sleazy stuff, the animation's tolerable. It escapes my knowledge of old japanese pop culture, so I'm only speculating here. But I think 80s anime tries to emulate japanese TV in some ways. Angles, dialogue, humor, etc. Which makes it look as dated as the actual TV shows are, and it's a 80s only phenomenon, because even 70s anime could get quite experimental at times. But again I'm just speculating here's an example of what I'm talking about: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ebs4FuzlOSM Not a bad concept, not bad art. But boy designs and script are braindead. >I just assumed they were lost or somethin It's analog media so they'd rarely be lost. The "production masters are 480p" problem is an early digital thing.
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Well, I finished Try a few days ago and I really have nothing more to add to my Slayers opinions. I thought Try was fine honestly, a step down from Next but it's to be expected, at this point Lina is pretty powerful so nothing can stop her. I liked Filia's character for being someone who felt like she was out of her league when dealing with Lina and co, as well as Xellos who seemed to be putting on a much more evil personality which I enjoyed. I also enjoyed Jillas but wish he was given a bit more time with the good guys and wasn't just pushed aside as another joke character. The new world they were in being based around gunpowder over magic, I sort of wish we saw more of it and it was a bit more lethal to the protags. Beyond that I really don't know what to say, Try feels the same as Next and the original Slayers, maybe it's just fatigue from watching 60~ episodes of the same kind of premise. There doesn't seem to be anything new or that interesting in Try. I've moved onto the movies and OVAs now, Naga is a very fun character and it's a shame she's only in these movies and I'm assuming OVA's. >>1444 >Suffers from a the same "nothing new" problem Slayers have, but it can be peak comfy. Yeah that's how I feel about them, if I was watching this as a kid I'm sure I'd love it a lot but as an adult I've kinda seen it all before but I still enjoy it for the comfy adventure it gives off. >The digital revolution destroyed animation in all countries sadly. Yeah, it's a real shame. Seeing some of the animation and art in the movies (in 1080p) is amazing, it's a real shame this isn't attempted anymore. I'm not even sure if there are Japanese autists out there giving us one off animation in a hand drawn style. You just don't see it anymore since digital is so much easier. >But I think 80s anime tries to emulate japanese TV in some ways. Angles, dialogue, humor, etc. I never really saw that until you pointed it out, but you're right. Perhaps by the time the 80s rolled around a lot of directors/animators were spending their time watching TV and copying it, as opposed to the 70s where I imagine a lot of the animators/directors were spending their time doing other things that didn't involve TV (perhaps watching western movies or something), but again that's also just me speculating.

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anon 07/20/2022 (Wed) 13:29:26 No. 1468 [Reply]
Masakazu Katsura
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In an interview conducted in conjunction with the event, he talked about his future goals. Writing a sequel to “ZETMAN” in addition to a new manga on the theme of ghost stories, which he says he has recently become more interested in. He has apparently set his sights on remaking “Wingman” and “Video Girl” Katsura said, “Video Girl is difficult, but I have an idea for Wing Man. I would like to draw a continuation of the previous one and give it a modern twist. It is a sequel rather than a reboot. I think it would be more interesting that way,” he said. *Wingman Spoilers here I don't know if there are spoiler tags* The final episode of the 13-volume book depicts the decision of the main character, Kenta, to discard all memories of Wingman in order to save Aoi’s life. Katsura revealed part of his idea: “I think that when Kenta, who has forgotten everything, and Aoi, who remembers everything, meet, a drama is born.
>>1469 Posting tags can be found here for future reference https://www.wapchan.org/.static/pages/posting.html

Japanimation Viewing Guide anon 04/14/2022 (Thu) 21:12:29 No. 993 [Reply]
found this old guide on viewing japanimation, it's a pretty interesting read https://www.flickr.com/photos/retrogradeblog/albums/72157632566725176/with/8396654577/
>>993 great find
>>993 thanks for this >>1014
>>993 No doubt about some of the earliest western anime fanart, especially dunbine

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Amerime anon 02/11/2022 (Fri) 02:55:43 No. 712 [Reply]
Lots of chonners love to make fun of Americans. Well old anime did too. So here's a thread dedicated to those very special anime moments, where writers jap slap lady liberty right on the pussy
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anon 07/04/2022 (Mon) 07:43:04 No. 1439 [Reply]
In this thread: Fever dreams.

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Eat Man anon 05/09/2022 (Mon) 08:53:57 No. 1263 [Reply]
Trigun, but the storytelling is kino's journey, the MC is kirby, and the women come and go as often as they do in Space Pirate Cobra. Anyone else really enjoy Eat Man? Is the manga worth a read?
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>>1380 I feel that EatMan comes off as heavily nihilistic. And so I think the main reason EatMan was so hard to take in is because its nihilistic worldview resides heavily over the story. Although many episode serve as a parable there is no overarching theme or message that the show has to deliver. If anything the episodic nature of the show is used as a way to show the cyclical and meaningless nature of life. All the moments in the anime are quickly forgotten and nothing that happens has any effect on an existing overarching story. As well as this Bolt never really changes at all. Early on they reveal that he was some kind of freak weapon made in a lab, but besides that nothing is revealed about his past and they never mention it again. And besides Bolt all the characters are fairly 2 dimensional and there is never an attempt at making characters 3 dimensional. I'd say there are two types of character in this anime: those who have are driven by their desires and those who have no desire. Mercenaries like Bolt and Heart are people who have lost any desire and so they wander the world acting as tools others can use to achieve their own desires. Yet people like Bolt know first hand that desire is a type of ignorance that only leads to more desire and so on. And this is shown through all the recurring characters whose desire either leads them to suffering or a point at which they only desire more. Bolt helps people achieve their goals, but it is often implied that nothing he does really helps anyone face reality. In one of the last 98 episodes he gives the robots back their memories and lets them continue living on believing they are human. This implies that Bolt does not save anyone, he merely lets them live in their own fantasies, or dreams. I believe this is partly why the program in the episode where the little girl dies says that Bolt is the only one who gets her. Because just as the programs keeps people in a dream Bolt lets others live their own dream. And why when he fails to save the little girl he renounces his title as a mercenary when he failed to keep the little girl in her dream. In the final episode of 97 Bolt is forced to take down the ship that is the dreams of many. The flying ship is comparable to the titanic which was known as the unsinkable ship. In fact the flying ship in Bolt is even explained to be able to keep afloat because of the people who believe in it. The psychocrystal that is its engine is said to feed off of the mental energy that is produced by those who believe in it. Even those who went to destroy it went because they were following their dream of destroying it, which only fed the crystal and explains why no one, but Bolt, a mercenary and master of dreams could destroy it. However by destroying the floating ship Bolt contradicts his own role by destroying the dreams of many, in order so that that one girl can achieve her own dream. And yet the captain explains that it is sometimes necessary the goal which one set at the beginning. Indeed this is true as whenever Bolt gives one person their dream he breaks the dream of another. And in this way Bolt is both the doctor program that keeps people in their dreams and Death who takes people back to reality. This all relates back to the nihilism of the anime as it basically states that reality itself is just a false dream controlled by forces, like Bolt, which make or break dreams, as they see fit. Beings like Bolt understand the meaninglessness of life which is why they are free to wander without being tied down by any of the dreams that others are tied down by. In this sense Bolt only exists for others which is why he himself seems empty.
>>1382 >*That it is sometimes necessary to go against the goals that you set at the beginning Sorry I hardly read through this before posting
>>1382 Thanks for the write up, that's actually quite interesting and I never saw the anime in this light before. I can respect it a lot more from that. I never really felt any nihilism from the anime, it just felt like a world that's not that different from our own and Bolt was helping random people as the story dictates, but the way you word it actually makes a lot of sense since the episode plots don't really matter it's more about Bolt trying to solve problems to fulfill the dreams of the people he helps.
>>1384 I think what you're saying about the setting being similar to the real world is exactly right and partly why I believe it is nihilistic. Because even though the anime takes place in a futuristic world, that at first seems different from our own, somehow its essence is similar enough to the our real world to be boring. But I think this is part of what gives EatMan a nihilistic vibe. It's not trying to take the viewer on an otherworldly adventure, rather the adventure is so founded in reality and humanity that it gets repetitive quick. Maybe part of Eatman's message is that there are no fairy tale like adventures out there, only harsh reality and dreams which deny reality's harshness. Bolt himself says that only someone who has eaten metal while crying can truly know what adventure tastes like.
Truth be told when it comes to these kinds of shonen reading the Manga is the best idea. Lots of things lost in transcription. Specially with those early digital EFX that are frankly puke inducing. Fascinating that stuff like this was contemporary to SE Lain's pure digital production.

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