>>1900 >Any more Sonoda stuff worth checking out? Nah, just the manga of GSC and Bean Bandit the 7 minute kick started anime where only around 4 minutes is actually animated and the last 3 are credits. A shame too since it's exactly what I wanted from a modern Riding Bean. I know a lot of people dislike the manga for certain reasons, the ending of Burst is kind of stupid and unrealistic but overall I enjoyed what I read just because it's fun in general. I also enjoyed the insights into guns from Sonoda, guy knows his stuff despite living in Japan. I'd say if you enjoyed something like GSC/Riding Bean, here are a few other things I enjoyed that had a similar vibe, both retro and not: Read or Die Dirty Pair Golgo 13 Lupin (kinda) Armor Hunter Mellowlink (also kinda, more mecha) Candy and Cigarettes (manga) Outlaw Star Cowboy Bebop Black Lagoon

>>1901 Candy and Cigarettes is definitely flashy enough and lolicon enough to be Sonoda-core.

>>1975 Yeah, it's a real shame the manga is taking ages to be translated though. Hope it gets an anime sometime.

Reinhard is German Napoleon what are you even talking about Rudolf Goldenbaum is the blatant Hitler analogue

>>1972 I'm basically inserting the characters into WWII officials but your analogy makes way more sense lol would rubinsky be herzl?

>>1969 Would you read or watch it? The art makes me want to watch Ranma 1/2.

>>1969 UY will always be the comfiest anime but KOR is good.

>>1919 Congratulations. When are you transitioning? And when is the funeral?

>>1209 Rem Ayanokoji is a lesbian

>>1856 Important information, I almost risked watching it before learning this.

>>1865 Your loss, pal.

>>1215 WELCOME TO MOES

Ukyo is the best girl

Bumping the Ranma thread! What are you anon's favorite episode? Mine is nettou hen episode 89 because that's the first episode Ukyo is wearing boys uniform >>1724 Ucchan!

>>1203 >*jaw drops to floor, eyes pop out of sockets accompanied by trumpets, heart beats out of chest, awooga awooga sound effect, pulls chain on train whistle that has appeared next to head as steam blows out, slams fists on table, rattling any plates, bowls or silverware, whistles loudly, fireworks shoot from top of head, pants loudly as tongue hangs out of mouth, wipes comically large bead of sweat from forehead, clears throat, straightens tie, combs hair* Ahem, you look very lovely.

>>312 Long haired? Yes. Short haired? No.

>>1929 Not to mention astro boy was made in 1952 which besides GORT was before most famous 50s movie robots. I think anon is overthinking on What kind of influences were impacted on the industry, entertainment is entertainment.

>>1929 >>1930 But I think you're both being a little inattentive here. Anon doesn't actually mention the '50s or anything around the Astro Boy era, so debunking his point in light of that is kind of useless. He seems to be zeroing in on the '80s as the 'start' of modern anime since some still present tendencies first appeared in that era, and from there poses the hypothesis that it was inspired by b-movies from the '50s through to the '70s, which would probably mean all that stuff that came after Astro Boy. It seems like he's saying something like: "The generation of creators who grew up between the 50s and 80s grew up watching sci-fi b-movies and sex comedies and thus took inspiration from them in developing the newer wave of anime starting from the '80s onward, and that influence has lingered on until today"

>>1937 I would broaden it to American pop media in general, given 80s American action films and Bruce Lee defining FotNS plus other male-demo anime, or the cultural juggernaut of Star Wars showing up in everything. Hell, the homage culture Dirty Pair and Trek has is well documented by Trekkies.

>>1937 I can kind of agree with what you're saying but still meh. Most of these comparisons hes talking about don't work very well. It's obvious this guy only watches ecchi shit because he treats all of anime like it's only ecchi. He mentions sex comedies, yet explicit sex in anime hasn't been around since the 80s and even the explicit ones were stuff like Wicked City, not comedies. Nowadays the only anime comparable to what hes talking about is ecchi where the most you get is implications and some boobs if youre lucky. Even shonen doesn't go beyond some innuendos or panty shots at most. And I'd say the majority of modern service (that isn't ecchi) is more comparable to stuff before the 80s. I can remember panty shots in 70s stuff like Lupin, Galaxy Express, Gundam, and Ashita no Joe to name some. Anime has always had that light, gratuitous side that isn't ecchi or sex comedy stuff. If anything, the 80s was just a phase of that side and modern ecchi may be inspired by that, but definitely not anime as a whole, which has always been gratuitous (Tezuka was into animal girls ffs). Then there's the examples he provides to support his claims. First, Kimagure Orange Road. Well even that doesn't match because Madoka (the character hes talking about) is a huge anomaly as an anime love interest. She is nothing like your typical modern day anime love interest and so to say shes proof of the connection is negligent because she doesn't even match the typical anime love interest. His second example is how much cyberpunk anime is based off of Streets of Fire. Again, anime has been doing scifi since before B movies (Astro Boy for example). As well as this, cyberpunk anime doesn't exist anymore nor many remnants of it, that could just as easily be remnants of the pre 80s scifi boom. But even in the 80s his claims don't hold very well. You could use pretty much any Western scifi movie as a comparison to 80s anime and, in this case, there exist much better comparisons that don't fit the B movie criteria. For example, Mad Max 2, Blade Runner, 2001 Space Odyssey, etc.. Is it more likely that cyberpunk was inspired by Blade Runner (1981) or Streets of Fire (1984)? Well if you cherrypick Megazone 23 and Bubblegum Crisis as the whole of 80s anime (which he does) it's known that Streets of Fire inspired these two, but even these and many more were more inspired by Blade Runner. It's not a stretch to say that every cyberpunk anime, either set in a apocalypse or in a futuristic city, is inspired by Blade Runner or Mad Max. Finally he mentions power suits and StarShip Troopers, which is just him cherrypicking Bubblegum Crisis again. Well, Super Sentai has been around longer than Starship Troopers and after the 80s I can't even think of a real robot suits series since. Finally he mentions all his generalizations which only really apply to ecchi and his little gripe on "normalfags" which doesn't even make sense. No one says ecchi or moe shit is "meaningful art" they say stuff like Lain is meaningful art and pretty much none of his criteria matches with stuff like Lain. >>1939 No offense, but at that point it kind of becomes pointless to make the comparison because of how "no shit" that comparison is. Like even my friend, who'd never seen anything pre 2000, picked up on Kenshiro being inspired by Bruce Lee when I showed him FotNS.

I'm not so good at sorting thru and putting down my own opinions here, but I think The Notenki Memoirs by Yasuhiro Takeda is a good book to read, for insight: He was a founding member of Gainax and grew up in the era under discussion. Here's an excerpt: "When I was a kid, I don’t think I was quite the geek I am now.As far back as I can remember, television was always a part of home life. The same goes for comic magazines like Shonen Magazine and Shonen Sunday, which made their debut in this world long before I did. Since much of the anime and manga of my formative years leaned toward sci-fi themes and settings, that genre became (and remains) my favorite. I was drawn in by the strange and powerful lure of futuristic stories—the future seemed so sublime, and filled me with longing. For a kid in those days, this kind of thinking was par the course. But there were plenty of fun things to do besides watching TV and reading comics, and I certainly didn’t spend my entire childhood wrapped up in anime and manga.In fact, there was really only one difference between other kids of that era and myself—I liked reading novels. I’ve already forgotten what sparked that interest, but it was in the fourth grade or so when I became an avid reader. While other kids were running around the schoolyard, I was running back and forth to the library. (I don’t think it was a time when you bought the books you liked—if you wanted to read one, you just went to the library.) I was hooked on sci-fi and mystery. Of course, the stories I read were adapted for gradeschoolers, and I simply devoured them. To name a few, there were titles like Lupin and Sherlock Holmes, and authors like Arthur C. Clarke⁠⁠3 and Robert A. Heinlein⁠⁠4—sci-fi novelists from the mid-’60s, whose works were considered required reading. That’s not to say I didn’t read other works. I explored almost every aisle of the library… with the result that I became a library assistant by the time I was in the fifth grade, simply because I could stay there for hours on end. All I ever wanted was just a little more time to read. Looking back on it now, my only regret is that I never sought out anyone to share in my little world." Interesting to note that he namedrops Robert Heinlein as 'required reading', so maybe the Heyuri guy isn't so far off as he seems. But I'd have to read the whole book to really get it. You can find it here:https://gwern.net/docs/anime/eva/2002-takeda-notenkimemoirs#osakathe-whole-future-was-sci-fi

Treasure Island's great. I watched it with some friends back in 2021 and it's just so....fun. It's just got this great sense of adventure and every episode just flew by. I love that Jim has a leopard cub and that Benbow grows up so at the end Jim is just this guy walking around with a leopard like it's totally normal. And it's got my favorite Long John Silver in media. I'm going to pick up the official release for sure, I hope it gets more people watching it.

>>1887 I also have a real soft spot for child main characters when they are done right and Jim was definitely done right. It was an extremely surprising series since it did so many things that I wouldn't expect to see in a story based on an old adventure book like a morally gray antagonist who kind of wins in the end or most of the conflicts being battles of wits. I was fully expecting it to be cheesy swashbuckling action like those old pirate movies my great grandparents used to watch. Silver is quite possibly my favorite anime antagonist of all time. I am definitely going to have to read the book some time soon. >what recent memes Those soviet Livesy memes have led to some people in the animation community digging up other weird European Treasure Island adaptations and reevaluating stuff like Treasure Planet.

>>1889 Treasure Planet is incredibly bizarre and half the time I couldn't make sense of what I was watching, but I have to give them some props for that ending.

I've had the show on my radar for ages; where I'm from (Arabia) it was extremely popular. Even saying it's popular doesn't even begin to scratch the surface. Weird anecdote: my dad's an amputee so all his friends call him Long John Silver because of this anime.

>>1889 Yeah, and not too long ago I watched the muppets rendition, still funny after all these years

How'd you hear about it in the first place?

Not sure if this helps, I cant remember where I found it.